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wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

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If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
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If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q
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Good call Wayne. And if I lived there I probably would. Only thing I really use the well for is to wash my hands and flush the can....

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:57:38 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
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I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

===

If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

I put a filter like that on my well and it was plugged up in a week or
two. Now I have it just feeding the R/O.
One of my neighbors went with a swimming pool filter.

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wrote:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:02:24 -0400, John H
wrote:


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought
the water was quite salty!

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Conventional wisdom around here is that exhaust manifolds are on
borrowed time after 5 or 6 years, same for risers. I/Os are fairly
popular in my neighborhood but they are all stored in lifts, and most
get flushed regularly.

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My boat is closed cooling and the risers are the only raw water cooled
engine part.

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True North wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs'
, put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the
engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum
type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to
touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.


My pan has an oil drain hose that I put through the transom plug drain.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/9/17 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

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The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.




Plus, the captains get to play with the ball bearings they carry around
in their pockets.


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True North Wrote in message:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 12:36:45 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 00:01:32 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.

Bingo...and I do flush religiously.

For what it's worthl, I flushed mine every time I took it out. The manifolds and risers still needed
replacing after about five years.

My dealer told me 10-12 years.


Your dealer? Same dealer who sold you that tin boat?
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Wrote in message:
On Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:57:38 -0400,
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:29:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:01:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I am not convinced my well water is any better than the river water
;-) .....

Up at the farm I dump a couple gallons of bleach in my well every year. It turns the moss stuff instantly brown and I flush it till the water turns clear. For a month after the water smells like a swimming pool but that's ok. It's handy to have and is virtually free. So...

===

If you run it through a filter like one of these it should clean uo:

https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-WFPF13003B-Universal-000-Gallon-Filtration/dp/B007VZ2O0Q

I put a filter like that on my well and it was plugged up in a week or
two. Now I have it just feeding the R/O.
One of my neighbors went with a swimming pool filter.


They have backflush systemsthat sanitize well water as well as
filter particals. Only maintenance is adding liquid
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On Monday, 9 October 2017 13:56:14 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.

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This is what I use:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--manual-oil-changer-2-9-quart--11097714?recordNum=2

Probably the same thing. I think you can get them for less if you
shop around.

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I'll be gettin' me one of these in about 3 years.

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On Monday, 9 October 2017 20:28:58 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Monday, 9 October 2017 11:57:44 UTC-3, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 05:32:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs'
, put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the
engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

Yamaha really says you should suck the old oil out
... write your own jokes there. ;-)

The dealer guy who comes to do my winterization uses a canister vacuum
type of device to remove the engine oil...a lot better than trying to
touch feel around for the oil plug in the bilge and then drain without making a mess.


My pan has an oil drain hose that I put through the transom plug drain.

My Bayliner came with that option. I asked the service guy if it should be connected. he said no...they prefer the industrial version of the item Wayne provided a link to.