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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 08:29:22 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:10:01 UTC-3, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:

Maybe not for sissy boys and girlie men. See a fair number around here.

A lot of those draft dodgers sought protection in Kanaduh. There
are still some living up there, I suppose. Be sure to thank them
for their service when you see them.

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Duh...you're getting as ditzy as Ditzy himself.
I was referring to seeing a fair number of I/O type runabouts...not sissy boys or Girliemen.

That's not what you said. And remember, you are the first to correct other's mistakes, so surely you
didn't make a mistake.

Remember, a good liberal would take no offense at being grouped with a bunch of 'sissy boys and
girlie men, eh Don White?

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

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On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:50:06 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.

I 'spect Don White has the bucks and can just drop that Bayliner off at the dealer for the
necessary servicing.

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.

That's a shame. But the advice came from folks here as soon as you mentioned looking.

Ever wonder why it was unsold and so reduced?

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On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow rider. I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015 Bayliner 170BR had been sold. I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous year. If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016 BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:50:03 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

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On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.


Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

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On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.




Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 14:20:56 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/8/17 1:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 12:41 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 8 October 2017 12:50:06 UTC-3, John HÂ* wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not
a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard
instead of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


Duh, JohnnyMop....the advice came after I had purchased the bow
rider.Â*Â* I did look at the same model with the 90hp outboard but in
the time it took me to walk around the boat show, the last 2015
Bayliner 170BR had been sold.Â* I got my 2015 175BR at a reduced price
at the 2016 show because it was an unsold boat from the previous
year.Â*Â*Â* If I wanted to pay 40% more I would have gone with the 2016
BR 180 and an upgrade to the 115 hp Mercury.



Not to pick on what you bought but a bow rider isn't the best choice for
ocean boating.


Depends...

http://tinyurl.com/y9q855qw

It just "depends" on wave height and the skill of the captain. You
stuff that big hole on the bow into a wave and that "self bailing"
boat becomes self sinking.