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On Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

In my mind it's how easily and quickly the boat will drain excessive
water taken over the bow. A cabin covering the bow is best because it
allows the least amount of water to get in the boat in the first place.
A center console I think is next best because there is less of a barrier
on the deck for the water to reach the scuppers. A bow rider, in my
opinion, is for flat water or near flat water boating because it's
design usually results in people sitting in the bow rather than back in
the cockpit or around the helm station, exacerbating the potential for
taking a "greenie" over the bow or worse yet, as Greg mentioned, burying
the bow in a wave.






I took pictures of waves breaking over the flight deck on my ship.
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because they fail to appreciate the risk of breaking inlets, sudden
thunderstorms, the Gulf Stream, etc.

Another risk, boats lose their stability and capsize easily when full
of water because the center of gravity changes.

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Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.


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On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?


You install ear muffs and hook up fresh water. You've done it before.
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

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The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

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The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.

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We were already at sea. Aparently the Captain thought the huricane
wasn't strong enough to cause damage. Or maybe he just wanted
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On 10/9/2017 7:50 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?


You install ear muffs and hook up fresh water. You've done it before.


Senior moment. It's only been ... what .. about 20 years or more since
I had an I/O? "CD Light" was the last one.

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On 10/9/17 8:08 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' ,
put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine,
and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg


You can buy a flush valve that is plumbed into the raw water line from the
drive to the engine and attach a fresh water hose. It is not rocket
science.


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Aparently it is to you. Unless you can show me how it's done. Then
I'll give you a formal apology.


http://www.quickflushvalve.com/editorial

http://www.quickflushvalve.com/how-it-works.html

I assume this works sort of like the fresh water flush on a modern
outboard, in which you screw in a garden hose to a receptacle on the
rear or side of the engine and turn on the water, with the hose pressure
forcing the water through the engine and out through the lower unit.

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On 10/9/17 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:47:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wave height was reported about 40 foot and of course there was a
hurricane going on.
I wonder why the captain chose to ride out a hurricane. We had to
pull into Roosevelt Rhodes so divers could inspect damage. There
was a bent rudder or prop. I forget which. Most of the com.
antennas went missing or were left dangleing.
Conditions were certainly right that day.

===

The military almost always sends their ships to sea for hurricanes.
The assumption is that they are safer than in port where they can be
bashed against piers or other boats. There's also a possibility of
being trapped in port by sunken boats blocking channels.




Plus, the captains get to play with the ball bearings they carry around
in their pockets.

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On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/9/2017 6:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:21:15 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2017 11:01 PM, Bill wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 23:10:23 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 21:32:01 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


As far as can be told here, your "expertise" in boating is limited to
buying non-collectible firearms from a Ruger auction site. I'm not a fan
of I/O's for several reasons, but I've seen - literally - thousands of
boats of all sizes out on the ocean powered by I/O's.

The only I/Os we see here are big go fast boats with 7+ liter V-8s in
them or snow birds who have not figured out they have the wrong boat
yet. Even now, the go fast crowd is migrating to trip or quad
outboards. I see a Yellowfin 36 out at the beach now and then running
trip 7 Marines.

I/Os may be fine as a northern trailer boat but they suck in tropical
salt water, especially if they are raw water cooled. The last time I
did a survey, we had 78 boats in my little 120 resident neighborhood.
None are I/Os.
Half are Yamaha, a quarter Mercury and the remaining quarter are
Zekes, 2 smoke OMCs, One Etec and one Honda. I don't remember the last
time I saw an I.O on the river but I am sure it had out of state
numbers on it.
I understand the I/O is pretty popular on the Chesapeake but that may
just be because it is not really salt water and that the are cheap. It
may make sense for a person looking at a 3-4 month season.

My experience with the I/O in the Chesapeake taught me to never, ever
have another I/O in salt
water. Many folks here suggested that Donnee look at an outboard instead
of an I/O, but, of course,
Donnee knew better.


A trailer boat I/O probably does ok in the salt. You wash them off after a
day of salt.



How do you rinse the engine internals and risers if raw water cooled?

Take it home or some place you can hook a garden hose to the 'muffs' , put it on the engine lower where the water inlet is, start the engine, and let the water flush the system. Pretty easy, really.

muffs
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e4a...0&odnBg=FFFFFF

engine being flushed...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GcpyCMjhemU/maxresdefault.jpg



Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Been a long time since I had an I/O.
BTW ... ran across this great video on how to change the oil on
a Yamaha 300 four stroke outboard. It's really a pleasure to watch a
pro at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCpqgFkHs

She's probably a pro at more than merely changing oil.. LOL

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On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 13:28:02 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:50:03 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 12:38:57 -0400, wrote:

Outboards have a hard time matching the horsepower at any given price
point when compared to a mass produced car engine.
The problem is that auto manufacturer did not design that engine for
the marine environment. You can mitigate some of the problems with
fresh water cooling but not all. Running in the frigid water up north,
flushing/rinsing after every use, storing on a trailer and a very
short season also helps make them last longer.
For someone like me who runs in 80+ degree salt water 3-4 times a
week, never flushes and has a 12 month season, an I/O would have been
trash decades ago. I have repowered 3 times (at around 3000 hours).
With an outboard, that is a few hour job requiring nothing but a come
along and a few hand tools. You are instantly a virgin from the
throttle handle to the prop. On an I/O it is a huge job to swap an
engine and you still have not done anything with the out drive. I am
also not standing on my head in the bilge trying to do the most
trivial maintenance.
Up on the trailer, everything is a stand up job and you can see
everything you are working on.
I suppose if you just drop it off at the dealer and come back a week
or two later, when they are done, that is not an issue. It is only
money but wasn't money the reason you got the I/O in the first place..

My current boat is an I/O, but it'll never see salt water.


You are really pretty far from salt water. The bay, up where you are,
runs around 10 PPT or less depending on season and how far north you
go. The river is pretty much just fresh water.
That is why I/Os seem so popular there. I came down here with the same
ideas but was quickly educated by the locals.
Our climate kills lots of things that work fine up north.
PT lumber and galvanized hardware are other examples.

The bay's not as bad as where you are, but my exhaust manifolds thought the water was quite salty!