"Stefan" wrote in message

In article ,
says...


the no discards series has thrown up some very interesting results
in the past - rewarding turning up and consistantcy
- one missed race can take you out of the silverware if there are
30 + boats i nthe series

No-discard series are another question. Limiting discards should
encourage participation, but no discards may put people off since
almost nobody these days can make every race in a long series. A well-
known club I know has recently changed its summer series scoring from
no- discard to a small number of discards and seen participation
significantly increase, as more people can realistically hope to win
the series and therefore make the effort to turn up.

Anyone seen the case being made out for making the Olympics (and
possibly thereafter RRS Appendix 1) no discards? I thought the 1
discard was meant to cater for gear failure and bad hair days in a way
that would not affect the final result?

John

In article ,
says...


Anyone seen the case being made out for making the Olympics (and
possibly thereafter RRS Appendix 1) no discards? I thought the 1
discard was meant to cater for gear failure and bad hair days in a way
that would not affect the final result?


Or more probably, being OCS.

The class I used to help run had some championships which were no-
discard. It certainly reduced the number of general recalls, which was
the intention. Some helms said it made it a lottery, because you have to
push it at the start to stand a chance of doing well, and if you were
OCS that was your championship gone. Personally I got my best result in
a no-discard championship and think it rewards consistency, but it does
risk being unfair to someone who has a bad result through no fault of
their own e.g. being fouled by another boat.

On Tue, 25 May 2004 15:45:41 +0100, Stefan wrote:

In article ,
says...


Anyone seen the case being made out for making the Olympics (and
possibly thereafter RRS Appendix 1) no discards? I thought the 1
discard was meant to cater for gear failure and bad hair days in a way
that would not affect the final result?



The case is that they want to be sure everybody - including the winner
- sails in the last race in the Olympics. It looks bad if the TV
cameras show up for the last race and the winning boat is on the
beach. Not a reason that would make any sense in most regattas.

Richard S wrote:

The case is that they want to be sure everybody - including the winner
- sails in the last race in the Olympics. It looks bad if the TV
cameras show up for the last race and the winning boat is on the
beach. Not a reason that would make any sense in most regattas.

So why not make the last race a no-discard race?

Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message

Richard S wrote:

The case is that they want to be sure everybody - including the
winner - sails in the last race in the Olympics. It looks bad if
the TV cameras show up for the last race and the winning boat is on
the beach. Not a reason that would make any sense in most regattas.

So why not make the last race a no-discard race?

Clever.

Have you got any ideas on the original question: What's the [public]
case being made out for making the Olympics (and possibly thereafter RRS
Appendix 1) no discards?

John

J. Allan wrote:


Clever.

Thanks!


Have you got any ideas on the original question: What's the [public]
case being made out for making the Olympics (and possibly thereafter RRS
Appendix 1) no discards?


Wellllll... one good idea is enough for this year. No! Have you
checked on ISAF's web site?


Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message

J. Allan wrote:


Clever.

Thanks!


Have you got any ideas on the original question: What's the [public]
case being made out for making the Olympics (and possibly thereafter
RRS Appendix 1) no discards?


Wellllll... one good idea is enough for this year. No! Have you
checked on ISAF's web site?

Another good idea g.

I checked the ISAF Olympic links, and the no discards proposition was
only a rumour. The NOR states

15. SCORING
15.1 The Low Point scoring system of Appendix A will apply.
15.2 Four races are required to be completed to constitute a series.
15.3 (a) When fewer than 5 races have been completed, a boat's series
score will be the total of her
race scores.
(b) When 5 to 11 races have been completed, a boat's series score will
be the total of her race
scores excluding her worst score.
(c) When 12 or more races have been completed, a boat's series score
will be the total of her
race scores excluding her two worst scores.

John

Andy Champ wrote:

So why not make the last race a no-discard race?

Another option, which has been used at least occasionally, is to put in
the race instructions that an OCS or a DSQ cannot be discarded.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

Andy Champ wrote:

So why not make the last race a no-discard race?

Another option, which has been used at least occasionally, is to put
in the race instructions that an OCS or a DSQ cannot be discarded.

Given that the hypothetical goal being discussed was to keep all boats
racing in the last race of the series for the TV cameras, this would be
overkill and reverses the thrust of the RRS to 'decriminalise' these
infringements.

John

J. Allan wrote:
Given that the hypothetical goal being discussed was to keep all boats
racing in the last race of the series for the TV cameras, this would be
overkill and reverses the thrust of the RRS to 'decriminalise' these
infringements.

Sorry, was just giving that info to show there is precedent for
excluding individual races from being dropped from the final score.

Personally, I don't think it's wise to "decriminalize" DSQs. I'd be more
in favor of going the other way... maybe kneecapping...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King