On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete
tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers
match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


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Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have
had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you
might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I
have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought
your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn
out OK for you, though.

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:12:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete
tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact, the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers
match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


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Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have
had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you
might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I
have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought
your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn
out OK for you, though.

Omniscience is great, eh Harry? Goes well with your narcissism doesn't it?

On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston
for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two
engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete
tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be
more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact,
the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They
sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers
match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


---
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Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have
had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you
might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I
have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought
your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn
out OK for you, though.


I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix
it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when
the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as
baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that
they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they
probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may
be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is.

It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back.
I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and
title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount
of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and
accepting the formal offer.

On 6/29/17 8:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in
Boston for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two
engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it
has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a
complete tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be
more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was
valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In
fact, the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know
how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They
sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers
match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


---
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Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have
had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that
you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not
that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I
thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going
to turn out OK for you, though.


I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix
it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when
the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as
baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that
they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they
probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may
be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is.

It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back.
I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and
title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount
of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and
accepting the formal offer.



Nothing is better than a happy ending!

On 6/29/2017 9:29 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 8:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in
Boston for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the
car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two
engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why
it has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a
complete tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may
be more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was
valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In
fact, the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't
know how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They
sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their
numbers match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com


Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might
have had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that
you might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not
that I have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I
thought your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going
to turn out OK for you, though.


I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix
it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But
when the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning
left as baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The
fact that they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy
means they probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I
think there may be a recall in the works once they determine exactly
what the problem is.

It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back.
I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and
title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small
amount of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for,
checking and accepting the formal offer.



Nothing is better than a happy ending!


Staying on top of problems like this is good exercise for the brain.
I have the MA Lemon Laws committed to memory and trying to figure out
what the problem on my own is good for whatever brain cells I have left.

On 6/29/2017 10:15 AM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 6/29/2017 8:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/17 2:32 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:36:27 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Busy day for me today. Had to go to the main VA hospital in Boston
for
some tests. Got a bunch of voice mails on my cell phone from the car
dealership but I couldn't quite make out what he was saying.

So, I stopped in after I got home. Turns out Nissan sent two
engineers
from the factory to examine my car. They are baffled as to why it has
no heat and are going to ship the car back to Nissan for a complete
tear
down and autopsy. I suspect they are concerned the problem may be
more
widespread and a recall may be in order.

It turns out my theory of what the problem is was wrong. It was valid
for Pathfinders up to 2016 but in 2017 the whole heating system was
redesigned and the "heat control valve" no longer exists. In fact,
the
rear seat heater in the 2017 Pathfinder is electric. I don't know how
the front works. No wonder there was no fault code. The component
doesn't exist.

Anyway, I am awaiting Nissan's formal offer to repurchase. They
sent a
letter of intent to do so and I am waiting to see if their numbers
match
what I have in terms of the what the check amount will be. Once I
accept their offer, the car gets shipped back to Nissan and I go car
shopping again.


---
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http://www.avg.com


Interesting...if they do eventually issue a recall you might have
had a
hand in saving lives.

Doubtful. It just doesn't have any heat. Of course, it wouldn't
defrost the windshield in the winter either.

I am still wondering what the electrical burning odor was though.
Somehow, I think it must tie into whatever the problem is.



The only real humor I find in your situation is that my guess, that you
might not be right about the cause, turned out to be correct. Not that I
have a clue about what might be wrong, because I don't, but I thought
your "solution" was too straightforward. I'm glad it is going to turn
out OK for you, though.


I can't fault the dealership or Nissan for trying to diagnose and fix
it, even to the point of shipping and installing a new engine. But when
the Nissan field engineers that looked at it yesterday morning left as
baffled as everyone else I was sorta relieved in a way. The fact that
they want to return the whole car to Nissan for an autopsy means they
probably have concerns beyond my vehicle exclusively. I think there may
be a recall in the works once they determine exactly what the problem is.

It also means they can't screw around with the figures for the buy back.
I'll be completely made "whole", including sales tax, registration and
title fees, administrative fees, trade in allowance and the small amount
of cash I paid. Now it's just a matter of waiting for, checking and
accepting the formal offer.




It's nice that they gave you a car to drive but I don't think they
are acknowleging your inconvenience in a meaningful way. This
whole thing should have been settled weeks ago. If trading for
the car you are driving would have made you happy, they should
have made that happen.


In hindsight Nissan would probably agree with you. They are paying for
the rental I am driving and have been for a month now.

I think it's a case of following policies and procedures. The person
handling the "case" is a Nissan Arbitration Specialist. She can't bend
the rules or make deals on her own.