On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:12:32 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 07:19:17 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:


Same here. I used to fix mainframes but since the PC took over and
became a throwaway item i have little interest in monkeying with
hardware. It's hard enough keeping all of the devices talking to
each other.

Yet you don't mind learning a new OS every time Bill Gates wants a new
car. The hardware is the easy part


Sure I mind but some of the new hardware and software doesn't play
well with Win 3.1

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Even in the corporate mainframe world users eventually become forced
into hardware and software upgrades. It's too expensive for the
vendors to make and support software that is backwards compatible with
older hardware, and the hardware vendors have no market incentive to
do more than is absolutely necessary. Eventually the increased
reliability and environmental efficiency of the newer CPUs becomes
compelling and that triggers both hardware and software upgrades.
The same is true with PCs if you want to take advantage of better
graphics, network speeds, larger hard drives, energy efficiency, etc.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:18:35 -0400,
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Even in the corporate mainframe world users eventually become forced
into hardware and software upgrades. It's too expensive for the
vendors to make and support software that is backwards compatible with
older hardware, and the hardware vendors have no market incentive to
do more than is absolutely necessary. Eventually the increased
reliability and environmental efficiency of the newer CPUs becomes
compelling and that triggers both hardware and software upgrades.
The same is true with PCs if you want to take advantage of better
graphics, network speeds, larger hard drives, energy efficiency, etc.

I understand that but if I was running a data center, I would still
stay one or two levels back. Let the pioneers catch the arrows.
XP does not seem to have a problem handling any network speed or hard
drive I throw at it and it is hard to find a PC that uses less power
than an old laptop. It is certainly not going to be that I7 sports car
John is looking at. If energy is an issue, you want the smallest,
slowest machine that will get the job done hence my W/98 server and my
WYSE "thin client" machines.

On 3/30/2017 2:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 12:18:35 -0400,
wrote:

Even in the corporate mainframe world users eventually become forced
into hardware and software upgrades. It's too expensive for the
vendors to make and support software that is backwards compatible with
older hardware, and the hardware vendors have no market incentive to
do more than is absolutely necessary. Eventually the increased
reliability and environmental efficiency of the newer CPUs becomes
compelling and that triggers both hardware and software upgrades.
The same is true with PCs if you want to take advantage of better
graphics, network speeds, larger hard drives, energy efficiency, etc.

I understand that but if I was running a data center, I would still
stay one or two levels back. Let the pioneers catch the arrows.
XP does not seem to have a problem handling any network speed or hard
drive I throw at it and it is hard to find a PC that uses less power
than an old laptop. It is certainly not going to be that I7 sports car
John is looking at. If energy is an issue, you want the smallest,
slowest machine that will get the job done hence my W/98 server and my
WYSE "thin client" machines.



I still have a small XP based laptop that I used on the boat and RV from
time to time. Bought it back in 2002 or 2003. Still works but spends
it's retirement sitting on a closet shelf.

I took it out and fired it up shortly before we moved last year. I
liked XP when it was the current OS for Windows ... it was very stable
.... but I noticed right away (after using Win7 for quite a while) that
for the general use I use a computer for it doesn't come close to Win7
in terms of overall performance. It's just slower at everything.

2:28 PMMr. Luddite
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I still have a small XP based laptop that I used on the boat and RV from
time to time. Bought it back in 2002 or 2003. Still works but spends
it's retirement sitting on a closet shelf.

I took it out and fired it up shortly before we moved last year. I
liked XP when it was the current OS for Windows ... it was very stable
.... but I noticed right away (after using Win7 for quite a while) that
for the general use I use a computer for it doesn't come close to Win7
in terms of overall performance. It's just slower at everything.
.....

My wife has a retired Lappy that here company bought for her some X bomber years ago. It had Netscape for a browser and AOL 3.0. That's when AOL paid good money to have computer mfj's load their stuff on every machine trying to bait potential customers. At the time it was state of the art. Of course that was then(over 20 years ago) and this is now...