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On 2/24/2016 8:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? Anyone who appreciates a Hammond B3 with a Leslie is ok in my book. Since it's development and then "hookup" with Leslie's rotating speaker system, the Hammond B3 sound has become a basic cornerstone in all kinds of music. Funny thing is that Laurens Hammond was not a musician or organ player at all and, when he heard the first "Leslie" hooked up to one of his organs, he freaked out and refused to sell Hammonds in any retail store that also carried Don Leslie's rotating speaker. Additionally, Hammond made continuous changes to the interface wiring and cabling in an attempt to foil attempts to hook up a Leslie to the organ. This is sometimes still a problem today if you buy a vintage Hammond B3 and try to hook up a Leslie to it. Eventually Lauren Hammond died and the management of the Hammond organ company breathed a sigh of relief and signed a deal with Don Leslie to supply speakers. |
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On 2/24/2016 8:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? -- You brought up my father What's up with all the racist crap you always bellow when you hear something you don't like or reply to someone you don't like? What's up with that, eh, moron? |
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On 2/24/16 9:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2016 6:33 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Not to split hairs but Magnepan speakers (I think that's what you said you have) are not "electrostatic". Maggies have a mylar film that produces the sound but the mylar has small wires and foil physically attached to it. Also, the mylar is mounted within a magnetic field that is produced by strips of permanent magnets. When the conductors on the mylar are fed the audio signal it causes the mylar to vibrate within the permanent magnet field. Electrostatic speakers are similar except there are no conductors physically attached to the mylar and the mylar film is held within a *static" field created by a small, high voltage transformer. The mylar is coated with a extremely thin, transparent, conductive coating (indium tin oxide) and the audio signal is applied to it. The only problem with Maggies and electrostatics (like Martin Logan) is that in order to produce sufficient bass from the mylar, the speakers have to be huge. However, using a dedicated subwoofer solves that problem. Martin Logan electrostatics also have a conventional woofer in the lower section of the enclosure for bass. The most amazing speakers I have ever heard were a pair of large ribbon speakers. They were in a very high end audio shop on Long Island and I had never seen anything like them. They were shaped like the sound board of a grand piano standing up on end with ribbons going across varying in length as the enclosure got bigger. They were powered by two monstrous vacuum tube amps and a vacuum tube pre-amplifer. The cheapest component in the whole system was a Rotel CD player that was used as a music source. I've forgotten who made the speakers or the amps. I stopped in one day and the owner must have noticed my curiosity (or my salivating) because he asked if I'd like to hear them. (insert "does a bear **** in the woods?" here") He played some classical piece that contained soft movements with cellos being slowly drawn along with soft wind chimes and then explosive sections with horns and heavy percussion. Blew my mind. I had never heard anything like them and haven't since. This was in 1989. The speakers alone were over $100K. Yeah, I have a subwoofer in the system. |
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On 2/24/16 10:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/24/2016 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:14:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:53 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:22:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:19 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. Yup. A 'wag'. You skipped the question. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- No, Johnny, I'm not a racist pig full of hate, as you are. As for little speakers, I'm just not convinced how well they can defy the laws of physics, especially in the mid to lower ranges. My father in law had an array of Bose speakers, professionally installed, and when I first heard them, I thought they sounded like what you'd hear in the average four speaker car radio system...but I never told him that, of course. Sounds like your father, God rest his soul, did two things wrong - fathered a liar and didn't match speakers to the requirement. Professional installation of the wrong speakers doesn't mean ****. Get over yourself Krause. -- My father preferred a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker. My father in law was the Bose fan. I'm not sure you are in a position physically to judge the quality of musical output from speakers. Krause, I will say it again. Normal people buy speakers that produce sounds they enjoy. You, obviously, prefer speakers which have suitable (to you) numbers. What your father preferred has absolutely no bearing on anything, except perhaps to lend some braggadocio to your arrogant arguments. You're really stuck on yourself, eh Krause? Anyone who appreciates a Hammond B3 with a Leslie is ok in my book. Since it's development and then "hookup" with Leslie's rotating speaker system, the Hammond B3 sound has become a basic cornerstone in all kinds of music. Funny thing is that Laurens Hammond was not a musician or organ player at all and, when he heard the first "Leslie" hooked up to one of his organs, he freaked out and refused to sell Hammonds in any retail store that also carried Don Leslie's rotating speaker. Additionally, Hammond made continuous changes to the interface wiring and cabling in an attempt to foil attempts to hook up a Leslie to the organ. This is sometimes still a problem today if you buy a vintage Hammond B3 and try to hook up a Leslie to it. Eventually Lauren Hammond died and the management of the Hammond organ company breathed a sigh of relief and signed a deal with Don Leslie to supply speakers. Our B3 was in the living room, and my dad installed the Leslie in the dining room and drilled holes in the floor to run the rather large cable from the organ to the speaker. :) Fortunately the holes did not show. I did not inherit my dad's musical ability. He got started "seriously" with the Mummers in his home town of Philly, and in New Haven he was active in the theater music society, and sometimes played the Wurlitzer at the Whalley Theater when they were showing silent movies. |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:30:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2016 8:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. With the sub woof, there is plenty of low. Not long after Bose introduced the 901's they also introduced the original 501 series. The 501 had a 10" woofer and two small combination mid-range and tweeter drivers. One of the mid-range/tweeter drivers was aimed backwards to bounce off a wall. In fact, the early 501's (series III) had a knob on the top that allowed you to adjust the angle of the back firing driver. I had a set of the original 501's and later a set of the series III. They had more than enough bass response for the average living room. Biggest difference was the originals were 4 ohms and the later series (starting with III) were 8 ohms. I bought a set of Bose 301's for my mom who had a pretty small living room. Although pretty small bookshelf speakers, they packed a hell of a wallop when desired. Oh, and I'm sure Krause will tell you what ****ty speakers the 501's were. I bought a set of those when my 901's finally kicked the bucket - after about 25 years of hard use. They fit nicely on the same stands which held the 901's. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/24/16 11:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:25:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Nofinger wrote: On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 7:19:02 PM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:18:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:08 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 01:06:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had. they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror. No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows. Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards (diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones. I am not really even sure outboards cost more since they seem to be lighter and you don't need as big a one. Price a new, 2016 250 hp Yamaha V6 and get back to us..., and don't forget to add in rigging. Motor weighs about 600 pounds. The discussion has been about Don's 17.5' boat. You reckon Greg is thinking 250hp for that boat? Don't you ever get sick of yourself? -- The price of a 135 hp Yamaha outboard is $14,000+, **** for brains. I would guess you could buy at least two or maybe three I/O's of that horsepower for that money. Of course, the BOSE model is smaller but more expensive. :) Don't you ever get sick of yourself, **** for brains? He keeps 'himself' in the 'do not think about' column. -- Did Nofingers lose them when he shoved his hand up his ass? |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:06:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. I had the Bose receiver which had the built in equalizer. Great sounding system. Oh, and the numbers aren't meaningless to one who listens to numbers. :) -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/24/2016 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 00:30:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2016 8:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:56:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. With the sub woof, there is plenty of low. Not long after Bose introduced the 901's they also introduced the original 501 series. The 501 had a 10" woofer and two small combination mid-range and tweeter drivers. One of the mid-range/tweeter drivers was aimed backwards to bounce off a wall. In fact, the early 501's (series III) had a knob on the top that allowed you to adjust the angle of the back firing driver. I had a set of the original 501's and later a set of the series III. They had more than enough bass response for the average living room. Biggest difference was the originals were 4 ohms and the later series (starting with III) were 8 ohms. I bought a set of Bose 301's for my mom who had a pretty small living room. Although pretty small bookshelf speakers, they packed a hell of a wallop when desired. Oh, and I'm sure Krause will tell you what ****ty speakers the 501's were. I bought a set of those when my 901's finally kicked the bucket - after about 25 years of hard use. They fit nicely on the same stands which held the 901's. Are you sure they were 501's? The original 501's were much larger than the 901's and were designed as floor standing speakers. They would be quite top heavy on the 901 stands. They looked like this: http://www.bindels.be/a_vendre/pics/bose_501_2.jpg |
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