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On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:48:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due
to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the
current
one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound
systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite

I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may
have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the
subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable
volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while
longer.
--

I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and
they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s.
Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the
speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its
on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics

--

Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other
manufacturers...enjoy.

I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of
course, unlike you I
don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music.

Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

As some wag once wrote:

No highs, no lows...must be Bose.

That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either
audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in
the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker
manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally
unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept
in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to
remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were
introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double
walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15"
woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were
an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the
sound off the walls behind the speakers.

The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the
901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from
hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't
be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same
distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement
requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of
where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that.

Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound
terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the
equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time.
Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't
come up for sale often.

That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I
have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with
equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their
day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are
up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard,
sheetrock walls behind them.

The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has
listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great.
The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same
level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the
sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose
concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup.

As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced
way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original
direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like
waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment
manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that
are much less expensive to purchase.

Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published
the frequency response curves for any of their products.
It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers.
A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat
response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same
set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself
has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite
concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment
of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various
instruments in a symphony orchestra.

Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and
a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns.

Sure.

He heard that word from Luddite.
--

Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks*

Are you sure the friend's 'Klipschhorns' (sic) are genuine? It appears maybe the
label was misspelled by the Chinese? You checked the serial numbers with the factory?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

John H.
- show quoted text -
"From one who can't spell 'America'.

He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but
figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly
acceptable in the context as used.

Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it."

Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it.
Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor.

12:10 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help?"

That's very amusing, Stinky. Must be more of your Floriduh humour, eh?
The idea that Harry would need help dealing with The John and his bowl of turds is hilarious.(yes, that would be y'all and Ditzy)

On 2/25/2016 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"From one who can't spell 'America'.

He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but
figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly
acceptable in the context as used.

Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it."

Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it.
Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor.

Maybe you should have your ears cleaned once in a while. The A in
America is pretty soft. You probably just don't hear it spoken. "A", as
you would say.

On 2/25/2016 9:00 AM, True North wrote:

12:10 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
"Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help?"

That's very amusing, Stinky. Must be more of your Floriduh humour, eh?
The idea that Harry would need help dealing with The John and his bowl of turds is hilarious.(yes, that would be y'all and Ditzy)

Go stick your head in a bucket of turds. It might just improve your
outlook on life.

On 2/25/2016 8:42 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:48:58 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due
to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the
current
one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound
systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite

I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may
have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the
subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable
volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while
longer.
--

I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and
they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s.
Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the
speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its
on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics

--

Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other
manufacturers...enjoy.

I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of
course, unlike you I
don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music.

Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

As some wag once wrote:

No highs, no lows...must be Bose.

That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either
audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in
the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker
manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally
unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept
in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to
remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were
introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double
walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15"
woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were
an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the
sound off the walls behind the speakers.

The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the
901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from
hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't
be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same
distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement
requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of
where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that.

Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound
terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the
equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time.
Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't
come up for sale often.

That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I
have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with
equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their
day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are
up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard,
sheetrock walls behind them.

The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has
listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great.
The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same
level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the
sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose
concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup.

As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced
way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original
direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like
waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment
manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that
are much less expensive to purchase.

Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published
the frequency response curves for any of their products.
It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers.
A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat
response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same
set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself
has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite
concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment
of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various
instruments in a symphony orchestra.

Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and
a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns.

Sure.

He heard that word from Luddite.
--

Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks*

Are you sure the friend's 'Klipschhorns' (sic) are genuine? It appears maybe the
label was misspelled by the Chinese? You checked the serial numbers with the factory?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

When Krausie makes dumb remarks like that it makes him look so juvenile.
It warms the cockles of my heart to see him finally in a meltdown state.
It's been a long time coming.

On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"From one who can't spell 'America'.

He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but
figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly
acceptable in the context as used.

Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it."

Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it.
Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor.

Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in
'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going.

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"From one who can't spell 'America'.

He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but
figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly
acceptable in the context as used.

Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it."

Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it.
Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor.

Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in
'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going.

It's really amazing when one reads the statement above and realizes that a 70 year old "man" wrote it.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:26:48 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 25, 2016 at 11:09:43 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/25/16 8:45 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"From one who can't spell 'America'.

He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but
figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly
acceptable in the context as used.

Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it."

Well JohnnyMop, as I've explained to you numerous times I simply spell it as y'all pronounce it.
Maybe you should try to be sociable once in a while instead of constantly sniffing Harry's butt and instigating your rancor.

Rancor is JohnnyMop's middle name. It's going to get a lot worse here in
'Merica, what with the way the RepublicanTurd primaries are going.

It's really amazing when one reads the statement above and realizes that a 70 year old "man" wrote it.

===

Make that 71 years old.