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On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
Bose? Klipsch? who are those guys. You wanna get some serious speakers get a couple of OHM F series. Best speakers I've ever owned. Just make sure you match them with some decent power. They don't like skinny watts... http://img.canuckaudiomart.com/uploa...v ailable.jpg Yeah, just to add a bit of history and their radical design, here's something worth reading. And to think that poor Lincoln Walsh died a year prior to his highbrow drivers went into production... http://ohmspeaker.com/legacy-products/f/ |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/24/16 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:34:15 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:15:25 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: So Krause's game of "my pecker is bigger than yours", makes one wonder, how does he know? === My boat and your land yacht are both bigger than Harry's pecker and it just annoys the hell out of him. :) -- Ahh, but my pecker still works, which is more than one can say for you, w'hine, and stupid. Dumb response from a "adult". Go pay your taxes, WAFA. |
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Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
- show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". *Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? |
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On 2/24/2016 9:34 PM, True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? Hey, where were you when Krausie needed your help? |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:34:33 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... - show quoted text - "Dumb response from a "adult". *Go pay your taxes, WAFA." "a adult"???? Don't you mean 'an adult', Ditzy? From one who can't spell 'America'. He *meant* 'neophyte adolescent suffering from epistemological loneliness', but figured neither of you would understand. Use of the article 'a' is perfectly acceptable in the context as used. Now go back to some sociability. You're much better at it. -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns! |
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On 2/25/16 6:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:28:57 -0500, Alex wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/16 12:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/23/2016 5:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers... True North wrote: Oh boy...now I feel really cold. Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind. I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house. "Sure you can afford one?" I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy. Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show. So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures? Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're doing something constructive! -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! I have these. The controller is outstanding! https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home. Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot, and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer. -- I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem to hold their distributors to retail prices. Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay, is there a different price that I saw. If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think. -- Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line specs, unless I missed it. http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics -- Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy. I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music. Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself? -- Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns! As some wag once wrote: No highs, no lows...must be Bose. That slogan has been around since the early 1970's, started by either audio elitists who misunderstood what Bose was marketing and selling in the 901 series speakers or by one of the competing "high end" speaker manufacturers of the day. The Bose 901 speaker design was originally unique in the respect that it employed the "direct/reflecting" concept in a fairly small enclosure for the standards of the time. You have to remember that the "high end" speakers of the 1960's (the 901's were introduced in 1968) were typically large, heavy, (sometimes double walled and sand filled) monstrosities that contained a large 12" or 15" woofer, mid-range and various types of tweeter drivers. The 901's were an attempt to create a sound stage effect by reflecting most of the sound off the walls behind the speakers. The big problem is that few people had living rooms that allowed the 901's to be set up properly. They depend on proper spacing away from hard walls (not curtains or drapes) to sound good. They also shouldn't be placed symmetrically in a room (meaning both speakers being the same distance from a side wall). Guys who understood the placement requirements might have tried but wives usually prevailed in terms of where they ended up in a room. Been there, done that. Another bit about the 901's: Without the Bose equalizer they sound terrible. I've seen vintage 901's set up and being used without the equalizer because it was either lost or not working. Waste of time. Try to find a vintage Bose equalizer on eBay or elsewhere. They don't come up for sale often. That all said, the 901's *can* sound wonderful if properly set up. I have had the unique opportunity to compare a fully functional set (with equalizer) that were made in 1980 to a pair of "high end" (for their day) four foot high JBL studio monitor monsters. Both speaker sets are up in a large garage with the 901's having the benefit of hard, sheetrock walls behind them. The 901's sound better overall to my ears and to everyone who has listened to both in a casual "blind" test. The JBL's sound great. The Bose 901's are clearer though with crisper highs and about the same level of bass as the JBL's. More importantly is the sound stage image they project as compared to the JBL's. The Bose concept works *if* you pay attention to how they are setup. As for other, contemporary Bose products, they are simply an over-priced way to get "big" sound out of small enclosures, IMO. The original direct/reflecting concept has been dropped in favor of things like waveguides to reinforce bass in a small package. Other audio equipment manufacturers have adopted similar waveguide designs over the years that are much less expensive to purchase. Oh ... one other comment for Harry. Bose has never officially published the frequency response curves for any of their products. It's basically meaningless anyway when comparing similar sized speakers. A set of speakers with a theoretically "perfect", flat response curve from 20Hz to 20kHz are not going to sound the same set up in different rooms. The acoustics of the room itself has a major impact on how they sound. Same is true in your favorite concert hall. Millions are spent on the design and acoustic treatment of the hall in order to "equalize" the sound of all the various instruments in a symphony orchestra. Thanks. My points of reference these days remain my electrostatics and a friend's setup with genuine Klipschhorns. Sure. He heard that word from Luddite. -- Lookie, lookie...a pair of *ConservaSnarks* |
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