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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:32:24 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing
replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger.

Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up.

Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system.

===

A fresh water boat can change out the thermostat for something hotter.
The only reason for 130 or 140 is to prevent salt from crystalizing in
the cooling system.

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On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:31:44 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 19:32:24 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing
replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger.

Closed system is actually the best way to go. a friend of mine loves to boat about year around that is when he can, and installed a heater core in the cuddy so he can duck inside and get warmed up.

Plus, the automotive style engine can warm up to a toasty 180 degrees and run more effeciantly than thee usual 130 degree raw water system.

===

A fresh water boat can change out the thermostat for something hotter.
The only reason for 130 or 140 is to prevent salt from crystallizing in
the cooling system.

You know, I never thought of that Wayne. I always wondered why they 'for the most part' were set factory low on raw water. I think I'll re evaluate mine before something hits the lake this year. good thought, Thanks!!

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On 2/22/2016 9:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:35:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2016 8:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:18:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2016 1:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

John H.
- show quoted text -
"But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the
Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids.

The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it
appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400.
On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course."


...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it should last 15 years.
A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material.
I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how much routine maintenance is required.
Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well.

Most of the "I/O problems" get mitigated somewhat when you are on a
trailer. Sitting in the water is trouble. A little bellows leak that
your bilge pump handles on a day trip is a sunk boat if it is sitting
in the water. The LU will stay wet too so you may end up with all the
problems that entails. Again, up on the trailer, no sweat.
They have a real bad rep in Florida.



I've been ocean boating since about 1993. I don't personally know
anyone who's boat sank because of a leaky bellows. Doesn't mean it
hasn't happened but the number of people I have known with I/O's who
keep them in slips during the season is a pretty good sampling.


The word there is "season" I guess.Our season is 12 months. I got
convinced by the locals here. The I/O was very popular in the
Chesapeake. You seldom see one here unless it has northern numbers or
it is a big "go fast".


Our six month "off" season is probably as tough or tougher on a rubber
bellows than your 12 month season in the water. Typically, they are
stored outside, subjected to winter weather and temps sometimes at or
below zero. Still have never heard of even an older I/O sinking due to
a bellows failure.

Dunno. I just know I/Os usually come from up north and get replaced
with an outboard boat here pretty quickly. I think the 4 stroke
outboard has really taken a bite out of any advantage an I/O had.
they are certainly a lot easier to work on you are standing up and not
standing on your head with a flashlight and a mirror.


No argument from me on that. I've had two I/O type boats and I'd never
own another one again but the problems were not due to the bellows.
Outboards on smaller boats ... (although a lot more costly) and inboards
(diesel) with fixed props and rudders for the bigger ones.

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:20:27 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 05:03:47 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

John H.
- show quoted text -
"But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the
Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids.

The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it
appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400.
On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course."


...and I was worried about the bellows rotting out! Salesman said it
should last 15 years.
A new exhaust manifold every five years doesn't
appeal to me. You'd think they would come up with a better material.
I've never owned an inboard/outboard and I am a bit leary about it. I'd
better start reading up on how the engine cooling system works and how
much routine maintenance is required.
Already I can see that the optional 23" deep swim platform is going to
make flushing the lower end a bit harder. The idea is that platform will
make it easier for the dog to reboard after swimming. The 170BR with
outboard motor has a very narrow reboarding spot next to the outboard well.

Well, you'd best adapt to the extra difficulty, 'cause you'll want to flush it every
time you use it. Do they have a hose connection on them now, or will you have to get
a set of muffs? If muffs, don't skimp. Get good ones that fit snugly. My I/O boat was
11 years old when I traded it in, and I'd put new manifolds on it at about the 9-10
year mark, not seven as I'd said earlier. I did have mine magnaflux tested about the
7 year mark. That was worthwhile, but luckily I had a son-in-law who had it done for
me - free.
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My manifolds are freshwater cooled. Elbows will be the only thing needing
replacing. I have closed cooling, with heat exchanger.

I wonder if Don's Bayliner came so equipped. Still need to do some flushing, but the
manifolds should last a bit longer.
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite
I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!


I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think.
--

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:30:18 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:29:39 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:55:32 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:40:45 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!"


Won't actually have it until May. Have to go back to the Boat Show on their dime to sign the paperwork around 1100 hrs.
Since I'm somewhat limited by our narrow driveway, the new boat is only a foot longer and a few inches wider. Since it's made of fiberglass, it's about 50 per cent heavier. In order to not get bitten by our seventy cent dollar, I opted for a brand new 2015 model.
Since I'll be doing my deep water sailing on a 39 foot sailboat this summer the idea was to not spend too much money to get something the wife will want to go out on on fine days.
There were two versions of the same boat. The outboard model and a MerCruiser 3.0 I/O model with a big extended swim platform to make it easier for us and the dog to re-board. It's a compromise as usual. Could have gotten a bare bones more sea worthy boat for a bit more, but the wife wouldn't hear of it.
It's a Bayliner 175BR. Yeah, I know...they had their problems with quality a few years back but the salesman convinced me that they are reasonably solid now and with the light useage and short season up here, it should last me the rest of my boating career.

Did you expect the salesman to convince you of anything else? I would
never own an I/O for sal****er use on any boat.
The exhaust manifold should be pretty easy to switch out on that inline 4. Very
accessible, and only one of them. I had to replace mine, on the 5.7L, after about
seven years. But, if I had the choice, I'd take the outboard. Either way he'll have
to flush it after every trip. Keeping the boat in the driveway makes flushing much
more handy then trying to find a wash rack somewhere.
You are not really is salt water tho, The upper bay and the river is
barely brackish at 10 ppt or less, much less up near DC or Annapolis.
I have caught small mouth Bass on Haines Point. (down near where that
"crawling out of the ground" sculpture used to be.)
But almost all of my fishing was between Deale and the Patuxent. Only fishing in the
Potomac was for catfish in the channel with grandkids.

The extra salt may mean a new exhaust manifold sooner...five years, maybe? But, it
appeas very easy to replace on that four. And it looks like they run less than $400.
On the V8, they were a bitch, and much more expensive, of course.
--

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Then there are the bellows...

I had and I/O that was in 100% freshwater. Never again.

Me either.
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On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite
I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer.
--



I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

No golf today
 

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite
I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer.
--



I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

No golf today
 

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite
I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer.
--



I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics
--

Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy.

No golf today
 

On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:46:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 8:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:44:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/23/16 6:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 20:26:17 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 21:37:40 -0500, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:38:42 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Ditzy Dan Kruger blathers...
True North wrote:
Oh boy...now I feel really cold.
Local CBC says it's minus 12C but feels like minus 23C due to wind.
I'd better buy a new outdoor thermometer...or place the current one further from the house.
"Sure you can afford one?"

I can afford to buy a new boat, dummy.
Wife and I picked out one yesterday at the local boat show.
So? Come on...tell us more. Pictures?

Here I've spent hours reading and listening to computer sound systems, and you're
doing something constructive!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!
I have these. The controller is outstanding!

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/...nion5_graphite
I looked at that in Best Buy. If they'd had one in stock, I may have brought it home.
Luckily, they were out of them. I came home, moved the subwoofer to a different spot,
and listened to the Saint-Saëns symphony at a reasonable volume. Sounded great, so
I'm going to stick with these old Logitech Z2300s for a while longer.
--



I bought mine from the Bose outlet store. 30% off retail and they seem
to hold their distributors to retail prices.

Amazon, Best Buy, Bose, etc, all want $399 for the Companion 5s. Only used, on Ebay,
is there a different price that I saw.

If I were to go with a different set, those would be the speakers, I think.
--

Interesting that Bose doesn't include frequency response in its on-line
specs, unless I missed it.

http://dreamandreach.bose.com/en_US/...sychoacoustics
--

Ahh, so the frequency response numbers must be pretty crappy in
comparison to similarly priced speakers from other manufacturers...enjoy.

I've never been disappointed with any set of Bose speakers. Of course, unlike you I
don't listen to the frequency response numbers. I listen to the music.

Again, don't you ever just get f'ing sick of yourself?
--

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