On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts motor.

On 8/24/2015 4:36 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I
have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of
the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts
motor.


I had a pro fix it. I am not a mechanic by any means.
The "sneeze" is really backfiring through the carb because the reed
valves are worn and don't seal at low rpm.

Your problem could be something else obviously but worn reed valves will
cause exactly the symptoms you have.

The one I had ran great after they were replaced. A lot cheaper than a
new motor.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:44:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/24/2015 4:36 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I
have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of
the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts
motor.


I had a pro fix it. I am not a mechanic by any means.
The "sneeze" is really backfiring through the carb because the reed
valves are worn and don't seal at low rpm.

Your problem could be something else obviously but worn reed valves will
cause exactly the symptoms you have.

The one I had ran great after they were replaced. A lot cheaper than a
new motor.


I would try the carbs, it can't hurt but I think Richard is right.
Lots of cranky 2 stroke problems get back to the reed valves.
I did therm on my 75 Merc. After you get all of the carb linkage
loose, it is not that many bolts to get the manifold off and get to
the reed block. I usually get a few plastic bowls and keep the parts
from each stage of disassembly in another bucket. That helps when you
are putting stuff back together. Taking pictures is good too..

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:36:12 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts motor.

Internet is your friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMepf8PwfY
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 8/25/2015 5:06 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:36:12 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts motor.

Internet is your friend.

Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:17:17 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:



Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

When I had the old 2 stroke, outboardparts.com was good to me.
Mr Stibler was pretty good about helping me get the right part.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:17:17 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/25/2015 5:06 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:36:12 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/24/2015 2:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:38 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:25 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Ryan P. wrote:
Hi All,

I have a 1971 40 HP Evinrude (model #40152B). I bought it used a few
years ago, and its actually been a great runner even though I
admittedly
abuse it maintenance-wise. Damn thing starts up quicker and more
reliably than my '85 Merc...

Anyway, this year, its started "spitting" and "coughing" at low RPM's.
When throttled maybe 15% past idle, it sounds great. If the gas were
bad or the oil mixture not right, the RPM's would not matter, correct?

For the record, the sound is similar to a sneeze, actually. If I have
the cover off the motor, I can actually feel air blowing back out of the
carb

Thanks





Bad reed valves.

Forgot to mention why I mentioned the reed valves. I had a 70hp, 2
stroke Evinrude of about the same vintage. Exhibited exactly the same
symptoms ... ran fine at higher RPM but at idle it would "sneeze", miss
and stall. The problem was the reed valves that are the 2 stroke
versions of a 4 stroke's input and exhaust valves.

That doesn't sound like fun... It looks like I would have to pull the
carb to MAYBE see them, and probably the reed block. Did you replace
them yourself, or find somebody to do it?

Maybe I should consider selling her to somebody else as a parts motor.

Internet is your friend.

Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

Look how much you'll learn!

Good luck with it. My motorcycle is 26 years old and never been in the shop. I hope
it'll last another 26!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 8/25/2015 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:17:17 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:
{snip}
Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

Look how much you'll learn!

Good luck with it. My motorcycle is 26 years old and never been in the shop. I hope
it'll last another 26!

Ain't that the truth? She was my first boat, and owning it has taught
me a lot... Replaced the starter and solenoid, replaced the
throttle/shift cables, redid the electrical wiring. I'm not
particularly mechanically inclined, but I'm good at troubleshooting and
YouTubing.

When I upgraded from the '71 SeaSprite to the '85 Phantom, I wasn't
afraid to dig into replacing the rack steering. Saved me a bundle on
paying more for a ready-to-go boat. lol

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:12:13 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/25/2015 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:17:17 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:
{snip}
Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

Look how much you'll learn!

Good luck with it. My motorcycle is 26 years old and never been in the shop. I hope
it'll last another 26!

Ain't that the truth? She was my first boat, and owning it has taught
me a lot... Replaced the starter and solenoid, replaced the
throttle/shift cables, redid the electrical wiring. I'm not
particularly mechanically inclined, but I'm good at troubleshooting and
YouTubing.

When I upgraded from the '71 SeaSprite to the '85 Phantom, I wasn't
afraid to dig into replacing the rack steering. Saved me a bundle on
paying more for a ready-to-go boat. lol

The more **** you fix, the more mechanically inclined you'll become, and that's a
fact!

Good luck with that thing. Keep us posted, please.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Wednesday, 26 August 2015 11:43:39 UTC-3, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:12:13 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:

On 8/25/2015 3:54 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:17:17 -0500, "Ryan P." wrote:
{snip}
Yeah, I saw that while I was looking around earlier. My beast of an
ancient motor looks a lot different... but I assume the basics are the
same? Pull the (single) carb, and that should get me access to pull the
plate containing the valves?

Off to the Evinrude site to try to get a part number and source it for
a 45 year old motor.

Look how much you'll learn!

Good luck with it. My motorcycle is 26 years old and never been in the shop. I hope
it'll last another 26!

Ain't that the truth? She was my first boat, and owning it has taught
me a lot... Replaced the starter and solenoid, replaced the
throttle/shift cables, redid the electrical wiring. I'm not
particularly mechanically inclined, but I'm good at troubleshooting and
YouTubing.

When I upgraded from the '71 SeaSprite to the '85 Phantom, I wasn't
afraid to dig into replacing the rack steering. Saved me a bundle on
paying more for a ready-to-go boat. lol

The more **** you fix, the more mechanically inclined you'll become, and that's a
fact!

Good luck with that thing. Keep us posted, please.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Sure thing Johnny...still using that 2 stroke oil in a 4 stroke engine?