On 9/14/2015 12:31 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:03 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it
another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must
have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was
launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that
from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds.
Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for
parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it.
I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900
hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable
and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price
for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.


I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

Musta been some kind of a nutcase.

He's an original alright. :-)



The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding hanger
door to open halfway.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.

When I had a race car, build a frame to lift motors. But now, I would go
down to the rental yard and get a motor lift for a couple hours. Easy and
reasonable.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:24:40 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.

When I had a race car, build a frame to lift motors. But now, I would go
down to the rental yard and get a motor lift for a couple hours. Easy and
reasonable.

Down south we have a poured tie beam over an opening like the garage
door (8x16 concrete with four #5 rebar in it)
That is plenty tough enough to pick up just about anything.
I put a piece of 4x8 steel angle over the top of the tie beam with a
loop of #4 rebar welded to it to hang my winch and it was bolted to
the side of the beam with four 1/2" read heads so it couldn't pop off.

When I added an attached garage to my cedar Cape Cod style house in the burbs, I ran a 20 foot long 12 inch high I beam to carry the weight of a planned 2nd level play area for my boys. The plan was to burn a hole in the flange to accept a chain hoist for anything I would want to lift. Sold the house before I finished it.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:31 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:03 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it
another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must
have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was
launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another,
and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my
hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that
from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds.
Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for
parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on
them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours
out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it.
I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900
hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil
changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures,
just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure
because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I
chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable
and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price
for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on
Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've
pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really
have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.


I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

Musta been some kind of a nutcase.

He's an original alright. :-)



The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding hanger
door to open halfway.




I can't believe the door didn't fold in half.

On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:31 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:03 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it
another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must
have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was
launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another,
and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my
hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that
from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds.
Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for
parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on
them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours
out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it.
I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900
hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil
changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures,
just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure
because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I
chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable
and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price
for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on
Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've
pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really
have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.


I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

Musta been some kind of a nutcase.

He's an original alright. :-)



The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding hanger
door to open halfway.




I can't believe the door didn't fold in half.


It did.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:49:26 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

When I added an attached garage to my cedar Cape Cod style house in the burbs, I ran a 20 foot long 12 inch high I beam to carry the weight of a planned 2nd level play area for my boys. The plan was to burn a hole in the flange to accept a chain hoist for anything I would want to lift. Sold the house before I finished it.

I had a "beam trolley" in my house in maryland (steel ":I:" beam)
It was handy for lifting engines and such but that was not an option
here because there was no central beam.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:


The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my
truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding hanger
door to open halfway.




I can't believe the door didn't fold in half.


It did.


I meant horizontally - from the weight.

On 9/15/2015 8:07 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:


The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my
truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding hanger
door to open halfway.




I can't believe the door didn't fold in half.


It did.


I meant horizontally - from the weight.


No way. The "garage" was actually a 32' by 46' aircraft hanger that one
of the properties we had in Florida had. The door was about 28' feet
wide and 16 feet high. It folded in half horizontally as it was raised.

It had a very heavy duty frame (probably for hurricane codes) made of
square 4" by 4" steel tubing that ran horizontally and vertically every
four feet or so. Lifting a 900lb motorcycle was duck soup for it to
handle. The electric motor didn't even change pitch when lifting it due
to the high gear reduction.

During one of the hurricanes (we were not there) about 24 people who
lived in the gated community all moved into the hanger during the worst
of the storm because it was totally brick construction (other than the
door). From the stories I've heard they had quite a hurricane party in
it with generators sitting outside providing power.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/15/2015 8:07 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, Alex wrote:


The motor on that door had such a high gear reduction I think it
would
probably lift the front end of a car off the ground with no problem.
The Harley was close to 900lbs and it lifted it off the back of my
truck
like it wasn't even there.

If I remember correctly it took about 3 minutes for the folding
hanger
door to open halfway.




I can't believe the door didn't fold in half.


It did.


I meant horizontally - from the weight.


No way. The "garage" was actually a 32' by 46' aircraft hanger that
one of the properties we had in Florida had. The door was about 28'
feet wide and 16 feet high. It folded in half horizontally as it was
raised.

It had a very heavy duty frame (probably for hurricane codes) made of
square 4" by 4" steel tubing that ran horizontally and vertically
every four feet or so. Lifting a 900lb motorcycle was duck soup for
it to handle. The electric motor didn't even change pitch when
lifting it due to the high gear reduction.

During one of the hurricanes (we were not there) about 24 people who
lived in the gated community all moved into the hanger during the
worst of the storm because it was totally brick construction (other
than the door). From the stories I've heard they had quite a
hurricane party in it with generators sitting outside providing power.




Nice! Did you have a community landing strip in that development? There
are several scattered around FL.