On 8/30/2015 4:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:24 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Guys, guys. This was a nice congenial boater thread. No need to ruin it. Ryan is asking good questions and should receive good answers.

Now back to Evinrudes. I have heard that the reeds can deteriorate over time. But sometimes they can build up with carbon not allowing them to seal correctly. Regardless, I believe that the reed is on track with the troubleshooting.

Guys, guys...Donne' started the ****. No one else.

But, I should have had more sense than to respond to the dumb ****, so my bad!

Ryan, sorry about that. Keep us posted. This is interesting.

So over the weekend I took her out on to Pewaukee Lake (larger lake so
I could have a bit of anonymity while smoking up the place) and did a
double treatment... Put some in the gas tank again and sprayed some
right into the carb.

Smoked like hell, but when it was done, the motor DID run better with
more power at high speeds (she planed out quicker), low speeds sounded
somewhat better and the sneezing frequency was reduced by about 50%,
basically from about once every 2-3 seconds to about once every 4-5 or
so seconds).

I'll take it out again this weekend and do another treatment just to
see if it reduces anymore and I'll bring somebody with me so I can
adjust the carb while they drive.

I'm not very optimistic that I'll get off that easy, but its a game
plan to follow!

Ryan

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:48:35 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 8/30/2015 4:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:24 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Guys, guys. This was a nice congenial boater thread. No need to ruin it. Ryan is asking good questions and should receive good answers.

Now back to Evinrudes. I have heard that the reeds can deteriorate over time. But sometimes they can build up with carbon not allowing them to seal correctly. Regardless, I believe that the reed is on track with the troubleshooting.

Guys, guys...Donne' started the ****. No one else.

But, I should have had more sense than to respond to the dumb ****, so my bad!

Ryan, sorry about that. Keep us posted. This is interesting.

So over the weekend I took her out on to Pewaukee Lake (larger lake so
I could have a bit of anonymity while smoking up the place) and did a
double treatment... Put some in the gas tank again and sprayed some
right into the carb.

Smoked like hell, but when it was done, the motor DID run better with
more power at high speeds (she planed out quicker), low speeds sounded
somewhat better and the sneezing frequency was reduced by about 50%,
basically from about once every 2-3 seconds to about once every 4-5 or
so seconds).

I'll take it out again this weekend and do another treatment just to
see if it reduces anymore and I'll bring somebody with me so I can
adjust the carb while they drive.

I'm not very optimistic that I'll get off that easy, but its a game
plan to follow!

Ryan

===

Have fun and let us know how it turns out.

Ryan I think you're doing fine. Keep taking it out and treating the fuel using quality the mix with 100% gasoline . It may just come out of it on its own. One thing is that 2 strokes can build up carbon inside. This should help clean out the inside of the engine as well. Keep reporting...

On 9/2/2015 4:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:48:35 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 8/30/2015 4:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:24 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Guys, guys. This was a nice congenial boater thread. No need to ruin it. Ryan is asking good questions and should receive good answers.

Now back to Evinrudes. I have heard that the reeds can deteriorate over time. But sometimes they can build up with carbon not allowing them to seal correctly. Regardless, I believe that the reed is on track with the troubleshooting.

Guys, guys...Donne' started the ****. No one else.

But, I should have had more sense than to respond to the dumb ****, so my bad!

Ryan, sorry about that. Keep us posted. This is interesting.

So over the weekend I took her out on to Pewaukee Lake (larger lake so
I could have a bit of anonymity while smoking up the place) and did a
double treatment... Put some in the gas tank again and sprayed some
right into the carb.

Smoked like hell, but when it was done, the motor DID run better with
more power at high speeds (she planed out quicker), low speeds sounded
somewhat better and the sneezing frequency was reduced by about 50%,
basically from about once every 2-3 seconds to about once every 4-5 or
so seconds).

I'll take it out again this weekend and do another treatment just to
see if it reduces anymore and I'll bring somebody with me so I can
adjust the carb while they drive.

I'm not very optimistic that I'll get off that easy, but its a game
plan to follow!

Ryan

===

Have fun and let us know how it turns out.

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


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On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/2/2015 4:41 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:48:35 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 8/30/2015 4:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:39:24 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Guys, guys. This was a nice congenial boater thread. No need to ruin it. Ryan is asking good questions and should receive good answers.

Now back to Evinrudes. I have heard that the reeds can deteriorate over time. But sometimes they can build up with carbon not allowing them to seal correctly. Regardless, I believe that the reed is on track with the troubleshooting.

Guys, guys...Donne' started the ****. No one else.

But, I should have had more sense than to respond to the dumb ****, so my bad!

Ryan, sorry about that. Keep us posted. This is interesting.

So over the weekend I took her out on to Pewaukee Lake (larger lake so
I could have a bit of anonymity while smoking up the place) and did a
double treatment... Put some in the gas tank again and sprayed some
right into the carb.

Smoked like hell, but when it was done, the motor DID run better with
more power at high speeds (she planed out quicker), low speeds sounded
somewhat better and the sneezing frequency was reduced by about 50%,
basically from about once every 2-3 seconds to about once every 4-5 or
so seconds).

I'll take it out again this weekend and do another treatment just to
see if it reduces anymore and I'll bring somebody with me so I can
adjust the carb while they drive.

I'm not very optimistic that I'll get off that easy, but its a game
plan to follow!

Ryan

===

Have fun and let us know how it turns out.

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan

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On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.

On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.

I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

On 9/14/2015 1:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/14/2015 12:03 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it
another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that
from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds.
Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for
parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.


I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

Musta been some kind of a nutcase.

He's an original alright. :-)

On 9/14/2015 12:03 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/14/2015 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:05:36 -0500, "Ryan P."
wrote:

On 9/13/2015 11:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:56:06 -0500, "Ryan P."
{snip}

So I took it out again yesterday to play with it and give it
another
dose of Seafoam...

When I came back in and was loading up on the trailer, I must have
been grumbling more than I thought, because another guy was launching
and came over to see what's up... One thing lead to another, and he
offered me $500 on the spot to take the boat and motor off my hands.

I took the money. lol BUT, he agreed with you folks here that
from
the way it sounded he was pretty sure it was the reeds. Apparently he
rebuilds classic motors on the sides and either he'd rebuild it
depending on the condition of the innards, or he'd use it for parts to
rebuild others.

Either way, the problem is off my hands.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Ryan


If you are happy with the money, it was a good deal all around.
Those old motors will run forever if you don't mind working on them a
lot and can live with the 2 stroke quirks.
It sounds like you found the right guy.

What kind of boat are you thinking about now?

I can't say enough about how great the new 4 strokes are.
I suppose someone may have a horror story but I got 3000 hours out of
my 2002 merc and still sold it for a third of what I paid for it. I am
not a fanatic about maintenance and it did fine. I am almost 900 hours
into a 2012 Yamaha now with nothing at all done to it but oil changes
and a squirt of grease here and there.
I did lose 2 thermostats but neither were catastrophic failures, just
a nuisance running hot thing. OK if you went slow. (2 screw fix)


Early this year I bought a used Forester Phantom 157 with an 80hp
Mercury on it. Both are from 1985. I had to replace the steering
(first time I had to replace a rack!), which was an adventure because
there was no physical way to remove the cable from the boat without
either removing the motor or cutting into the fiberglass. I chose to
cut and patch. But, for $100-ish, for the steering wheel and cable and
$1,400 for the boat, I think it was a good deal. The average price for
that kind of boat seems to be between $1500 and $2000 on Craigslist in
my area.

The only bad thing is that there's no power tilt. Kind've pricey to
add at $500+ aftermarket, too. Not to mention I don't really have any
way to remove a 300lb motor...

Ryan


If you change it to the rotary style helm the end of the cable can be
fished just about anywhere. I have mine going through a stick of
"Smurf tube" (the blue flex electrical tubing) because it is exposed
under the deck and it lasts a whole lot longer if you keep it dry.
I know what you mean about the steering tube end tho. That is just a
poor design on the part of the boat builder.

I rigged a hanger over my garage door for lifting motors years ago. I
haven't used it that often but every time I do I am glad I had it.
I just use a come along. I am running the 3d engine since I set that
up and I had to use it for maintenance a couple times on the old 2
stroke 75 Merc/Mariner.


I know a guy who used to lift motorcycles WITH his garage door.

Musta been some kind of a nutcase.