S&W M&P 15/22
 

Got out to the range this morning. Among other things, finally got some to sight in my 15/22. After fine-tuning of the cheap, chinese red dot, I put 20 rounds of Gem-Tech 22LR subsonics in a one inch target dot at 30 yards without really trying. The first ten were slow, but the last ten were rapid fire, shots about one second apart. No bipod or bench rest, just elbows on the table. I really like this rifle, sweet shooting and has a good stock trigger. The stamp for the can should be here any day. Squirrels beware! :)

S&W M&P 15/22
 

A couple weeks ago I shot about 50 rd of /223 through a SW mp and was quite impressed. One downside for me was it was way feather light compared to the big bore bolt actions that I'm used to, and was all over the target at 100 yd.s

After I settled down, it was still a better gun than my aim but I was able to throw FMJ into about a 3" group. I liked it and am considering one.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 7:39:11 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
A couple weeks ago I shot about 50 rd of /223 through a SW mp and was quite impressed. One downside for me was it was way feather light compared to the big bore bolt actions that I'm used to, and was all over the target at 100 yd.s

After I settled down, it was still a better gun than my aim but I was able to throw FMJ into about a 3" group. I liked it and am considering one.

I also shot my AR with some generic 5.56 reloads. Was still settling the scope down (a drop-zone Bushnell 4x), but hit the center at 100 yrds after a few rounds. Still not satisfied, but after some more tweaking and some better ammo, I expect better.

The M&P is a great rifle.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/21/15 7:39 PM, Tim wrote:
A couple weeks ago I shot about 50 rd of /223 through a SW mp and was quite impressed. One downside for me was it was way feather light compared to the big bore bolt actions that I'm used to, and was all over the target at 100 yd.s

After I settled down, it was still a better gun than my aim but I was able to throw FMJ into about a 3" group. I liked it and am considering one.



I don't know if Smith makes an HBAR model, but these typically are about
a pound heavier as delivered because of the thicker barrel, and they
also tend to be easier to control and more accurate. I also upgraded to
a handguard that allowed me to free-float the barrel.

I shoot 1-1/2" to 1-1/4" groups at 100 yards with my AR 15, a Colt HBAR,
and decent but not premium ammo with brass shell casings and non-ferrous
bullets. That's sitting at a shooting table with the rifle resting on a
bag. One of these days, I'll buy some more expensive "precision target"
ammo and see if that and more practice gets me down to 1" groups. I'm
also thinking of upgrading the trigger.

My "other" AR type rifle is a Smith M&P 15 in .22LR. It's a fun plinker,
and with my silencer and subsonic CCI "standard" ammo, the only sound
you hear is the bolt cycling.

You can run a .223/5.56 AR with a silencer, but the ammo to do that is
pricey, and so is the silencer. Also, subsonic ammo in that caliber
doesn't have nearly the punch the standard ammo does.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

If I do get one it'll be chambered in 7.62x39

S&W M&P 15/22
 

Tim wrote:
If I do get one it'll be chambered in 7.62x39

Cheap ammo?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

S&W M&P 15/22
 

Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.


I have tried it. I was disappointed with its accuracy and my observation
that it left a lot more crud behind than the CCI Standard Velocity
rounds. Further, sometimes it failed to cycle both my Ruger pistol and
S&W AR 15/22. The CCI rounds never seem to fail to cycle, and they are
plenty accurate.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch.. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 1:10:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch.. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Try Gem-Tech.

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/SUBSONIC-22LR-AMMUNITION-32p470.htm

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 1:10:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Try Gem-Tech.

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/SUBSONIC-22LR-AMMUNITION-32p470.htm

===

Availability: Currently Out of Stock

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 2:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?


Because they likely would not cycle a semi-auto pistol or rifle designed
for .22LR?

Because they are more expensive than .22LR subsonic rounds?

Because they're still loud unsuppressed?

S&W M&P 15/22
 

Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)


Thats wonderful.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 3:36:41 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 1:10:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Try Gem-Tech.

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/SUBSONIC-22LR-AMMUNITION-32p470.htm

===

Availability: Currently Out of Stock

That's because they are good. Put your name on the list.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:09:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)

.... and shorts were 55 cents a box at the 7-11.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

wrote:
Got out to the range this morning. Among other things, finally got some
to sight in my 15/22. After fine-tuning of the cheap, chinese red dot, I
put 20 rounds of Gem-Tech 22LR subsonics in a one inch target dot at 30
yards without really trying. The first ten were slow, but the last ten
were rapid fire, shots about one second apart. No bipod or bench rest,
just elbows on the table. I really like this rifle, sweet shooting and
has a good stock trigger. The stamp for the can should be here any day.
Squirrels beware! :)

Red dots are not a scope. They are for fast acquisition of target. I have
an M&P in 5.62 shoots well. Thinking of mounting the Leopold scope on my
..06 on it.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/2015 11:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)


Thats wonderful.

He has a long history of skirting the law. Apparently it began before he
was of legal driving age.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 3:07:39 AM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
Got out to the range this morning. Among other things, finally got some
to sight in my 15/22. After fine-tuning of the cheap, chinese red dot, I
put 20 rounds of Gem-Tech 22LR subsonics in a one inch target dot at 30
yards without really trying. The first ten were slow, but the last ten
were rapid fire, shots about one second apart. No bipod or bench rest,
just elbows on the table. I really like this rifle, sweet shooting and
has a good stock trigger. The stamp for the can should be here any day.
Squirrels beware! :)

Red dots are not a scope. They are for fast acquisition of target. I have
an M&P in 5.62 shoots well. Thinking of mounting the Leopold scope on my
.06 on it.

Didn't say it was a scope. Don't need one at 30 yards. But they do have to be sighted in, or else the dot won't be where the bullet is going. :)

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/22/15 11:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)


Thats wonderful.


Oh, I thought you were reminiscing about the good old day when stuff was
cheap.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/2015 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?

He did try to mediate a family dispute a while ago. It cost him severe
wrist and forearm injuries. Thank god the guy was a skinny little pip
squeak, or KKKrause's injuries would have probably been life threatening
if he had picked on someone his own size.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/15 1:01 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:09:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)

... and shorts were 55 cents a box at the 7-11.



Obviously, you weren't buying Jockey shorts. (rim shot)

Gasoline might have been a little cheaper when I was about 12 and
actually started driving my dad's jeeps around the boatyard and retail
store. Four years later, when I took my driver's license test, the
driving instructor who accompanied me (a requirement in those days) had
to bring an old Plymouth from the late 1940s for me to use, because his
other drivers' ed cars had automatic transmissions and I had no
experience with those. The Plymouth (or maybe it was a Chrysler) had
"fluid drive," but you could still drive it as a column mounted stick
shift. I seem to recall you didn't have to use the clutch when
shifting...but that could be a mistaken memory.

The retail store was next door to a service station that sold tires and
gasoline. I could drive from the back of my dad's store to the gas
station's property without putting a tire on the city's street, and tow
boats over there to fill up their tanks with gasoline and two cycle oil.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/15 3:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
Got out to the range this morning. Among other things, finally got some
to sight in my 15/22. After fine-tuning of the cheap, chinese red dot, I
put 20 rounds of Gem-Tech 22LR subsonics in a one inch target dot at 30
yards without really trying. The first ten were slow, but the last ten
were rapid fire, shots about one second apart. No bipod or bench rest,
just elbows on the table. I really like this rifle, sweet shooting and
has a good stock trigger. The stamp for the can should be here any day.
Squirrels beware! :)

Red dots are not a scope. They are for fast acquisition of target. I have
an M&P in 5.62 shoots well. Thinking of mounting the Leopold scope on my
.06 on it.


Oh, I was wondering who was shooting squirrels. Figures.

At the moment, I have a Vortex SPARC II red dot on my Colt AR15. But
sometimes I shoot with just the iron sights. I put a 1x4 Vortex scope on
my Henry .357, and it incorporates a lighted dot you can switch on or off.

I have a bunch of it, but I "discovered" there really is no need to pay
extra to get so-called "suppressor" ammo for a silenced .22LR firearm.
The CCI Standard Velocity is subsonic and sounds the same out of a
suppressed firearm as the more expensive and usually harder to find
"suppressor" ammo. Eight or nine cents a round typically will get the
CCI stuff, and it is pretty available these days.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/15 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?


Hey, last year I stopped a guy who was verbally abusing and manhandling
a woman, and suffered a broken wrist for my trouble, an injury that at
best is only 90% "healed."

Sorry, shooting squirrels or just about any critter just isn't something
that I see as brave or sporting. But, of course, opinions vary.

Takes no bravery to buy a chicken from Giant or, I suppose, Publix.
Buying one from Wal-Mart, though...not something I would do.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 10:18:40 AM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 3:07 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
Got out to the range this morning. Among other things, finally got some
to sight in my 15/22. After fine-tuning of the cheap, chinese red dot, I
put 20 rounds of Gem-Tech 22LR subsonics in a one inch target dot at 30
yards without really trying. The first ten were slow, but the last ten
were rapid fire, shots about one second apart. No bipod or bench rest,
just elbows on the table. I really like this rifle, sweet shooting and
has a good stock trigger. The stamp for the can should be here any day.
Squirrels beware! :)

Red dots are not a scope. They are for fast acquisition of target. I have
an M&P in 5.62 shoots well. Thinking of mounting the Leopold scope on my
.06 on it.


Oh, I was wondering who was shooting squirrels. Figures.

Oh, I was wondering who was supposedly buying expensive guns without paying their taxes. Figures.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?


Hey, last year I stopped a guy who was verbally abusing and manhandling
a woman, and suffered a broken wrist for my trouble, an injury that at
best is only 90% "healed."


I guess it is brave to pick a fight with someone who kicked your ass.



Sorry, shooting squirrels or just about any critter just isn't something
that I see as brave or sporting. But, of course, opinions vary.

Why is bravery an issue here at all, it is just harvesting food.

In the case of the 170 pound rat (white tail deer) thinning the herd
is good for the environment and the deer population as a whole.
I suppose you also have a problem with hog hunters. I imagine you will
change your mind when they invade your neighborhood in mass.
a dozen wild hogs will make your yard look like a drunk on a back hoe
was practicing all night.
It will take a brave person to try to run them off with a broom.

Takes no bravery to buy a chicken from Giant or, I suppose, Publix.
Buying one from Wal-Mart, though...not something I would do.

So you just hire a hit man. I do to but I don't then criticize killing
the animal.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/23/15 12:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:01:35 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 10:53 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame
every argument?
How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant?


Hey, last year I stopped a guy who was verbally abusing and manhandling
a woman, and suffered a broken wrist for my trouble, an injury that at
best is only 90% "healed."


I guess it is brave to pick a fight with someone who kicked your ass.


I wasn't the one who ran away...and he didn't kick my ass. I hit him too
hard.




Sorry, shooting squirrels or just about any critter just isn't something
that I see as brave or sporting. But, of course, opinions vary.

Why is bravery an issue here at all, it is just harvesting food.



No, for some it is "sport."

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:44:45 -0400, wrote:

It will take a brave person to try to run them off with a broom.

===

We could make a few bucks if we had a YouTube video of Harry driving
off hogs with a broom. I will supply brooms and a camera if you can
round up a few hogs.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

S&W M&P 15/22
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/22/15 11:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 6:09:45 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and
were available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)


Thats wonderful.


Oh, I thought you were reminiscing about the good old day when stuff was cheap.

When I started driving gas wars still rages. Just before I started
driving, the sign said pay the tax. 11 cents. But I made $1.25 an hour in
a service station my senior year in HS. So was 5 gallons an hour if you
exclude income taxes.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:09:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:08 PM, Tim wrote:
Around here and at their peak shorts were 4.40 bucks a hundred and were
available. That was when you couldn't find anything else too.



When I started driving legally, gasoline was 19 cents a gallon. :)

... and shorts were 55 cents a box at the 7-11.

Longs were 50 cents a box. I have a partial brick that has a $13 price to
on it.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in
his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough
assed boar.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!