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On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural
predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:58:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

From what I hear from folks up there , they are both coming.
Black bears may be one of the big successes (if you want to call it
that) in wildlife restoration. The black bears are in the NW DC
suburbs and between there and Baltimore It is just a matter of time
before they get to you if they are not there already. Usually you will
not see them until they are in your trash.
The one that was raiding the dumpster at the downtown hospital in Ft
Myers eluded everyone for close to a month. There were plenty of cell
phone videos but FWC couldn't find it. He was found eventually living
in a tree at a golf course, probably by someone looking for a lost
ball.


Hogs are on the opposite end of the environmental scale but they are
thriving too. They seem to be working their way up the coast through
Virginia and it is just a matter of time before they start walking
across the 301 bridge. With 3 litters a year, they populate a place
pretty fast and they can eat just about anything.`

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On 8/25/2015 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:


What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

It is probably accurate tho. There is a lot of networking that goes on
at Temple. One of the salesmen at IBM was a JewCatholic agnostic but
he still went to temple with his devout brother now and then, just to
see his friends. He is the guy who explained the menorah to my
daughter when she thought she might try judaism.
We had one in the living room for the holidays and she had already lit
all of the candles before the first day of Hanukkah.



I've sometimes thought that if I were to ever become religious (other
than on commercial airplanes) I'd probably look seriously at Judaism.
I'd be a hypocrite though. My interest isn't in the teachings. I just
like some of the traditions and customs.

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On 8/25/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:58:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

From what I hear from folks up there , they are both coming.
Black bears may be one of the big successes (if you want to call it
that) in wildlife restoration. The black bears are in the NW DC
suburbs and between there and Baltimore It is just a matter of time
before they get to you if they are not there already. Usually you will
not see them until they are in your trash.
The one that was raiding the dumpster at the downtown hospital in Ft
Myers eluded everyone for close to a month. There were plenty of cell
phone videos but FWC couldn't find it. He was found eventually living
in a tree at a golf course, probably by someone looking for a lost
ball.


Hogs are on the opposite end of the environmental scale but they are
thriving too. They seem to be working their way up the coast through
Virginia and it is just a matter of time before they start walking
across the 301 bridge. With 3 litters a year, they populate a place
pretty fast and they can eat just about anything.`



We keep our trash in tight containers in the garage and I take it to the
county dumpsters twice a week. It's paper/bottle/can trash, and we rinse
the cans and bottles out. The garbage goes down the disposals. That
being said, my wife believes she saw a bear halfway up a tree trunk a
couple of years ago just past our backyard. It was not a raccoon.

Ahh, the 301 bridge...what a fripping disaster. Takes an hour to clear
the traffic and get across, whether you are going to Virginia and
stopping for the toll (now $6 for a car) or coming back to Maryland. 301
is heavily traveled, and you would think by now Maryland, Virginia, and
the feds would have put up a replacement multi-lane bridge.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.


This was a several year old Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, no larger than an
average sized beagle, probably smaller.

Lots of those VN potbellied are huge.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.

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On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.


This was a several year old Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, no larger than an
average sized beagle, probably smaller.

Lots of those VN potbellied are huge.


The one down the street is no larger than a beagle.

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On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.



We don't have a deer problem, other than the occasional car-deer
collision. They're pretty and graceful animals, and my wife doesn't
begrudge them their snacks from her gardens and flowers. Further, I'm
reasonably sure they smell better than the guys who hunt them.

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

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On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 1:38:40 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:38:44 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

The white tail dear is the most dangerous animal in the US killing
more people than all the other "dangerous" animals put together
including sharks, bears, cougars, snakes and the various stinging
insects.

They kill people in cars.

Maybe he'd change his mind if a deer ran out in front of his imaginary Ducati.
Moot point, Deer are real.

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:29:41 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 08:39:56 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

It's a giggle watching your conservative Republican politicians proclaim
their Christianity at the same time their actions belie their "belief"
in Christ. If it were otherwise, they'd behave more like Jimmy Carter
and less like Ted Cruz.

===

And that concludes our religious lesson of the day, brought to you by
renowned aetheist/agnostic, Harry Krause. Or maybe not.

:)




What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

LOL, but not PC for sure.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:02:35 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.

20 million illegal encroaching aliens make the problem even worse.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/25/2015 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:


What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

It is probably accurate tho. There is a lot of networking that goes on
at Temple. One of the salesmen at IBM was a JewCatholic agnostic but
he still went to temple with his devout brother now and then, just to
see his friends. He is the guy who explained the menorah to my
daughter when she thought she might try judaism.
We had one in the living room for the holidays and she had already lit
all of the candles before the first day of Hanukkah.



I've sometimes thought that if I were to ever become religious (other
than on commercial airplanes) I'd probably look seriously at Judaism.
I'd be a hypocrite though. My interest isn't in the teachings. I just
like some of the traditions and customs.


Lot of the food dishes are pretty good too.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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On 8/25/15 5:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/25/2015 2:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:


What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

It is probably accurate tho. There is a lot of networking that goes on
at Temple. One of the salesmen at IBM was a JewCatholic agnostic but
he still went to temple with his devout brother now and then, just to
see his friends. He is the guy who explained the menorah to my
daughter when she thought she might try judaism.
We had one in the living room for the holidays and she had already lit
all of the candles before the first day of Hanukkah.



I've sometimes thought that if I were to ever become religious (other
than on commercial airplanes) I'd probably look seriously at Judaism.
I'd be a hypocrite though. My interest isn't in the teachings. I just
like some of the traditions and customs.


Lot of the food dishes are pretty good too.
--


Well, hell, Johnny...find yourself a mohel and get to it.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.



When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural predators of deer.

It's not a deer problem except in the abstract. It's a people problem.

Well, move out of your country area.



We don't have a deer problem, other than the occasional car-deer
collision. They're pretty and graceful animals, and my wife doesn't
begrudge them their snacks from her gardens and flowers. Further, I'm
reasonably sure they smell better than the guys who hunt them.

Ou encroach on their habitat.

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On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 10:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in
his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough
assed boar.
--


Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring.

Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter?

http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl

Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats,
prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits.

Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close
to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave
hunter and sportsman/woman.



Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru.
They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of
Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter.


I'll be glad to take your word on that. :)

Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine.
Pics
http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm


Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both
are requirements for "meat" to be kosher.

Leviticus 11:3-8:

Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among
the animals, you may eat.

Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher.

Eat anything you want, it's all "Kosher"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NRSV



Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

Thankfully, I don't have to "observe their religion's dietary laws" Besides, people who eat 'kosher' or not have about the same life span.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/25/15 6:30 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 10:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote:
Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range
punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a
better option to the SKS.



Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :)

The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I
suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering.

Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my
cheap ammo of choice.

100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy
access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me,
and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver
really accurately at 50 yards or more... :)

The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is
better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can.
If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat.
The world is awash with it.



Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass
cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic
300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that.

I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived
that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had
nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it.


The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the
barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun
noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly
out of a hand gun.

Have you tried these
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose

I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed
rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain
down range performance.

Why not use .22 shorts?

I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what
you do.



Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make
squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue.

If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so).

Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in
his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough
assed boar.
--


Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring.

Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter?

http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl

Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats,
prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits.

Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close
to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave
hunter and sportsman/woman.



Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru.
They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of
Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter.


I'll be glad to take your word on that. :)

Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine.
Pics
http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm


Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both
are requirements for "meat" to be kosher.

Leviticus 11:3-8:

Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among
the animals, you may eat.

Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher.

Eat anything you want, it's all "Kosher"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NRSV



Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

Thankfully, I don't have to "observe their religion's dietary laws" Besides, people who eat 'kosher' or not have about the same life span.



A. No one says you have to do that.

B. Not relevant.

I've read the comments of many self-proclaimed Christians who say it
doesn't matter how they live their lives or what horrors they inflict,
so long as they "accept Jesus" before they die. If that is the case, I
suspect that Christians don't have to observe any religious laws but for
that one to be assured an easy E ticket to their saviour's side.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 7:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:




Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3EoAAOSwuMFUgLqD/$_1.JPG



If there was a Jesus and he was an itinerant rabbi of sorts, he likely
followed the Jewish dietary laws of his time, Tim. Your "saviour," if he
existed, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew. He did not
conjure up a "new" religion. Christianity began as a cult and as it
evolved all manner of beliefs were added to it, and many of these were
perpetrated by the powerful and wealthy to help the poor masses better
survive the horrors of their meager existence in the hope for a "better
life" with Jesus in the next world.

There isn't the slightest bit of proof that *your* religion developed
differently than any other religion...as a series of superstitions, folk
tales, oral storytelling, interpretations of history, et cetera,
codified into beliefs over the years.

It's a giggle watching your conservative Republican politicians proclaim
their Christianity at the same time their actions belie their "belief"
in Christ. If it were otherwise, they'd behave more like Jimmy Carter
and less like Ted Cruz.

It's a giggle watching you proclaim to know so much about "my" religion and "my" conservative Republican politicians when you know very little about my beliefs, and how you seem to know so much about how I will vote. I may not even vote at all.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:38:47 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:

Thankfully, I don't have to "observe their religion's dietary laws" Besides, people who eat 'kosher' or not have about the same life span.



A. No one says you have to do that.

Didn't say I did.

B. Not relevant.

Never said it was

I've read the comments of many self-proclaimed Christians who say it
doesn't matter how they live their lives or what horrors they inflict,
so long as they "accept Jesus" before they die. If that is the case, I
suspect that Christians don't have to observe any religious laws but for
that one to be assured an easy E ticket to their saviour's side.

Judaism is easier than that. As long as you're born of "Abrahams seed" You got it made.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On 8/25/15 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 7:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:




Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3EoAAOSwuMFUgLqD/$_1.JPG



If there was a Jesus and he was an itinerant rabbi of sorts, he likely
followed the Jewish dietary laws of his time, Tim. Your "saviour," if he
existed, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew. He did not
conjure up a "new" religion. Christianity began as a cult and as it
evolved all manner of beliefs were added to it, and many of these were
perpetrated by the powerful and wealthy to help the poor masses better
survive the horrors of their meager existence in the hope for a "better
life" with Jesus in the next world.

There isn't the slightest bit of proof that *your* religion developed
differently than any other religion...as a series of superstitions, folk
tales, oral storytelling, interpretations of history, et cetera,
codified into beliefs over the years.

It's a giggle watching your conservative Republican politicians proclaim
their Christianity at the same time their actions belie their "belief"
in Christ. If it were otherwise, they'd behave more like Jimmy Carter
and less like Ted Cruz.

It's a giggle watching you proclaim to know so much about "my" religion and "my" conservative Republican politicians when you know very little about my beliefs, and how you seem to know so much about how I will vote. I may not even vote at all.


Well, you claim to be a Christian. There's a lot out there on
Christianity. Do you belong to some peculiar subset about which little
has been written?

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:52:16 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 7:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:




Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3EoAAOSwuMFUgLqD/$_1.JPG



If there was a Jesus and he was an itinerant rabbi of sorts, he likely
followed the Jewish dietary laws of his time, Tim. Your "saviour," if he
existed, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew. He did not
conjure up a "new" religion. Christianity began as a cult and as it
evolved all manner of beliefs were added to it, and many of these were
perpetrated by the powerful and wealthy to help the poor masses better
survive the horrors of their meager existence in the hope for a "better
life" with Jesus in the next world.

There isn't the slightest bit of proof that *your* religion developed
differently than any other religion...as a series of superstitions, folk
tales, oral storytelling, interpretations of history, et cetera,
codified into beliefs over the years.

It's a giggle watching your conservative Republican politicians proclaim
their Christianity at the same time their actions belie their "belief"
in Christ. If it were otherwise, they'd behave more like Jimmy Carter
and less like Ted Cruz.

It's a giggle watching you proclaim to know so much about "my" religion and "my" conservative Republican politicians when you know very little about my beliefs, and how you seem to know so much about how I will vote. I may not even vote at all.


Well, you claim to be a Christian.

Yes I do.


There's a lot out there on
Christianity. Do you belong to some peculiar subset about which little
has been written?


Ill let you attempt to figure that one on your own

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:44:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When you say "deer problems," you mean the problems created by mankind
encroaching on their environment and leaving them little option but to
forage and, of course, mankind has also killed off many of the natural
predators of deer.

The predator issue is true but deer have moved into suburban and even
urban areas because there is a lot of easy food there. They are simply
exploiting the food supply and in that sense they are 170 pound rats.
There are more deer in the US now than there were when the pilgrims
landed.
I damn near hit one on the Whitehurst Freeway in DC one night.
I am not sure that was not encroaching in their environment. They
were encroaching on ours.

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:02:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:58:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

From what I hear from folks up there , they are both coming.
Black bears may be one of the big successes (if you want to call it
that) in wildlife restoration. The black bears are in the NW DC
suburbs and between there and Baltimore It is just a matter of time
before they get to you if they are not there already. Usually you will
not see them until they are in your trash.
The one that was raiding the dumpster at the downtown hospital in Ft
Myers eluded everyone for close to a month. There were plenty of cell
phone videos but FWC couldn't find it. He was found eventually living
in a tree at a golf course, probably by someone looking for a lost
ball.


Hogs are on the opposite end of the environmental scale but they are
thriving too. They seem to be working their way up the coast through
Virginia and it is just a matter of time before they start walking
across the 301 bridge. With 3 litters a year, they populate a place
pretty fast and they can eat just about anything.`



We keep our trash in tight containers in the garage and I take it to the
county dumpsters twice a week. It's paper/bottle/can trash, and we rinse
the cans and bottles out. The garbage goes down the disposals. That
being said, my wife believes she saw a bear halfway up a tree trunk a
couple of years ago just past our backyard. It was not a raccoon.

Ahh, the 301 bridge...what a fripping disaster. Takes an hour to clear
the traffic and get across, whether you are going to Virginia and
stopping for the toll (now $6 for a car) or coming back to Maryland. 301
is heavily traveled, and you would think by now Maryland, Virginia, and
the feds would have put up a replacement multi-lane bridge.

The last time I was on that bridge was in 2012, on my way to my
sister's house in Ridge from our North Carolina detour.
The traffic wan't really bad at all but we got off of 301 pretty fast
on the Md side, down by Allen's Fresh and cut over

S&W M&P 15/22
 

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:52:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 6:39 PM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 5:40:00 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 7:37 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:




Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/3EoAAOSwuMFUgLqD/$_1.JPG



If there was a Jesus and he was an itinerant rabbi of sorts, he likely
followed the Jewish dietary laws of his time, Tim. Your "saviour," if he
existed, was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, and died as a Jew. He did not
conjure up a "new" religion. Christianity began as a cult and as it
evolved all manner of beliefs were added to it, and many of these were
perpetrated by the powerful and wealthy to help the poor masses better
survive the horrors of their meager existence in the hope for a "better
life" with Jesus in the next world.

There isn't the slightest bit of proof that *your* religion developed
differently than any other religion...as a series of superstitions, folk
tales, oral storytelling, interpretations of history, et cetera,
codified into beliefs over the years.

It's a giggle watching your conservative Republican politicians proclaim
their Christianity at the same time their actions belie their "belief"
in Christ. If it were otherwise, they'd behave more like Jimmy Carter
and less like Ted Cruz.

It's a giggle watching you proclaim to know so much about "my" religion and "my" conservative Republican politicians when you know very little about my beliefs, and how you seem to know so much about how I will vote. I may not even vote at all.


Well, you claim to be a Christian. There's a lot out there on
Christianity. Do you belong to some peculiar subset about which little
has been written?

There doesn't seem to be much written about most of the protestant
brands. The holy roller baptists and pentacostals seem to dominate the
news. The Methodists up at the end of my street seem pretty un
threatening. Other than their charity work, we don't hear much from
them at all and they certainly are not down at city hall raising hell
about anything or bombing women's health clinics.
It really just looks like a family friendly social group that has big
picnics once or twice a month. Once or twice a year they have a big
carnival with rides and food. The proceeds go back into the community,
helping people who need help.