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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:36:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: *I* wouldn't be making judgments on the killing of poultry, since "kosher" is something of only peripheral and formerly proximity interest to me === I think the word you are searching for is "proximate". That's all superstition though isn't it? |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:36:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 8/24/15 11:25 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:53:11 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:39 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 06:31:37 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Chicken is not "meat." I will have to tell my vegan friends that. I'm sure any conservative or orthodox rabbi in your neighborhood could explain Kashrut to you. My understanding of it is many decades old, and attained through proximity. They will tell you chicken turkey and duck are kosher species of meat. They will not say chicken is not meat. Of course you would only say the ducks and turkeys were "kosher" if someone else killed them for you and that they came from a factory farm. Food taken from the wild is not brave enough for you. Courage comes in a foam tray. *I* wouldn't be making judgments on the killing of poultry, since "kosher" is something of only peripheral and formerly proximity interest to me, but, yes, I am aware of the fact that Jews who "keep kosher" would want their poultry slaughtered according to the rules of Kashrut. Which has nothing to do with your statement that chicken was not meat. It is specifically listed as a kosher meat when it is rendered in a kosher way. Nice tap dance tho. And, once again, I don't eat rodents. Not yet anyway. The way things are going, it may be on the table soon. There was and perhaps still is an allegedly decent restaurant in Kansas City where deer, moose, bison, and a bunch of others are served up. Never went there...wasn't much of a beef eater then and am not much of one now. I did taste deer once, and thought it tasted like...beef, sort of. Most of game preparation is in how quickly it was field dressed and if they did it right. I have had excellent venison and I have had some I would not feed to Mr Ed. BTW it is a very popular meat in New Zealand. (farmed) Not a big barbecue fan, either, at least not for barbecue drowning in spicy sauce. What's the point, when all you can really taste is the sauce? I agree BBQ sauce is best served in small amounts if the BBQ is decent. I never use any at all on my pork shoulders. It just has a rub on it. I may give a sandwich a little dab when I am eating leftovers along with a kosher pickle slice (there is a contradiction huh?) and a little sprinkle of cheese. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. |
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On Monday, 24 August 2015 12:19:06 UTC-3, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:16:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn You're not Harry Krause, else you would be scared. Simple. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Here...dedicated to you, Bill...er..Johnny... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwby-XvzpH8 |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:07:46 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:36:52 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: *I* wouldn't be making judgments on the killing of poultry, since "kosher" is something of only peripheral and formerly proximity interest to me === I think the word you are searching for is "proximate". That's all superstition though isn't it? I really believe "kosher" had more to do with reflecting the state of food safety 4000 years ago than anything god wanted. Would you eat a crab or lobster you bought on the side of the road before we had refrigeration? I imagine hogs all had trichinosis |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: .... about every 7 minutes for the last 2 hours. So much for you not being glued to this group |
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On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. He is so full of **** that he can't help but spread it around. |
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On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me know how that works out for you. I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport hunting" or "sport hunters." |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
On Monday, 24 August 2015 12:19:06 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:16:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn You're not Harry Krause, else you would be scared. Simple. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Here...dedicated to you, Bill...er..Johnny... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwby-XvzpH8 I wouldn't click on a link from you or Krause. Too scary. I'd be afraid, like you were when faced with Scotty or slammer. Hope it was good for you, Donne'. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. |
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On 8/24/15 1:33 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote: On Monday, 24 August 2015 12:19:06 UTC-3, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:16:57 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn You're not Harry Krause, else you would be scared. Simple. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Here...dedicated to you, Bill...er..Johnny... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwby-XvzpH8 I wouldn't click on a link from you or Krause. Too scary. I'd be afraid, like you were when faced with Scotty or slammer. Not to worry...I'd hate to be in your general vicinity when you exhaled. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:07:46 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:36:52 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: *I* wouldn't be making judgments on the killing of poultry, since "kosher" is something of only peripheral and formerly proximity interest to me === I think the word you are searching for is "proximate". That's all superstition though isn't it? I really believe "kosher" had more to do with reflecting the state of food safety 4000 years ago than anything god wanted. Would you eat a crab or lobster you bought on the side of the road before we had refrigeration? I imagine hogs all had trichinosis Hogs had two problems. Trichinosis and they ate the same as humans. Poor way of getting protein. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 06:34:21 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 1:24 AM, Tim wrote: Don't know about the cap part, but bagging squirrel is better for you than buying those pre-assassinated steaks, chops, and breasts for $9.95 a lb. Lean meat with no antibiotics and no growth hormones. What about groundhogs and rats, dressed up, say, with a side order of palmetto bugs for crunch? :) Not my cup of tea but it might be healthier for you than an antibiotic laced chicken. Bugs constitute a large part of the protein intake in most of the 3d world. In Africa we had Mopani Worms. Are a protein staple of the diet there. Are actually a caterpillar. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud. Chicken is not "meat." It ain't? |
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On 8/24/15 2:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud. Chicken is not "meat." It ain't? Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." === *Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your* superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are so *special*. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:46 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." === *Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your* superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are so *special*. Gosh, all these years folks have called chicken breast 'white meat'. We've all been wrong. Damn shame. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 8/24/15 3:13 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:46 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." === *Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your* superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are so *special*. Gosh, all these years folks have called chicken breast 'white meat'. We've all been wrong. Damn shame. -- D'oh. |
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On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! And his bull**** is downright dishonest. He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was his last friend of any consequence. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 2:39 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud. Chicken is not "meat." It ain't? Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." Not what you wrote. Words matter. |
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On 8/24/15 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:39 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud. Chicken is not "meat." It ain't? Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." Not what you wrote. Words matter. Sorry, Bill, but you are way down on the list of those whose opinions on words and such I would consider. You did see the word "meat" in quotes, right, and the references to Leviticus, right? |
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On 8/24/2015 4:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! And his bull**** is downright dishonest. He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was his last friend of any consequence. Heh. Harry says, "That's bull****"? Holy crap. I lost count of the number of times I pointed out to him that I am not "anti-Democrat" ... I am anti-Hillary. I even expressed hope that other more qualified Dems declare their candidacy. But it doesn't matter to him. Because I can't support his preference of a POTUS nominee, he continued referring the GOP as being "my party" or Jeb Bush "my man". Since he only has one criteria by which he categorizes *all* Republicans (republi-trash) it follows that he includes me in that group. That's dishonest, but it's par for the course in Harry's world I guess. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, a group that Harry doesn't think exists apparently, yet Independents make up the majority of voters. |
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On 8/24/15 6:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2015 4:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! And his bull**** is downright dishonest. He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was his last friend of any consequence. Heh. Harry says, "That's bull****"? Holy crap. I lost count of the number of times I pointed out to him that I am not "anti-Democrat" ... I am anti-Hillary. I even expressed hope that other more qualified Dems declare their candidacy. But it doesn't matter to him. Because I can't support his preference of a POTUS nominee, he continued referring the GOP as being "my party" or Jeb Bush "my man". Since he only has one criteria by which he categorizes *all* Republicans (republi-trash) it follows that he includes me in that group. That's dishonest, but it's par for the course in Harry's world I guess. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, a group that Harry doesn't think exists apparently, yet Independents make up the majority of voters. My preference for a candidate is the Democrat who will beat any Republican nominee. I don't really care who that Dem is, but I think it is Hillary Clinton. I like Bernie Sanders a lot more than any other candidate running, but I don't think a "socialist" can win the general election. Martin O'Malley is a non-starter. The former U.S. Senator from Virginia, Luddie's favorite, has less appeal than beige ceiling paint. Joe Biden is a terrific guy in all respects, but I don't see him winning the White House. Luddite has been a vociferous supporter of Jeb Bush here, and lately has been touting Trump some. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 6:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 4:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! And his bull**** is downright dishonest. He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was his last friend of any consequence. Heh. Harry says, "That's bull****"? Holy crap. I lost count of the number of times I pointed out to him that I am not "anti-Democrat" ... I am anti-Hillary. I even expressed hope that other more qualified Dems declare their candidacy. But it doesn't matter to him. Because I can't support his preference of a POTUS nominee, he continued referring the GOP as being "my party" or Jeb Bush "my man". Since he only has one criteria by which he categorizes *all* Republicans (republi-trash) it follows that he includes me in that group. That's dishonest, but it's par for the course in Harry's world I guess. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, a group that Harry doesn't think exists apparently, yet Independents make up the majority of voters. My preference for a candidate is the Democrat who will beat any Republican nominee. I don't really care who that Dem is, but I think it is Hillary Clinton. I like Bernie Sanders a lot more than any other candidate running, but I don't think a "socialist" can win the general election. Martin O'Malley is a non-starter. The former U.S. Senator from Virginia, Luddie's favorite, has less appeal than beige ceiling paint. Joe Biden is a terrific guy in all respects, but I don't see him winning the White House. Luddite has been a vociferous supporter of Jeb Bush here, and lately has been touting Trump some. Anybody is better than some brain dead stroke victim trying to hide from the press... |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me know how that works out for you. I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport hunting" or "sport hunters." They why won't you shut the **** up about it? This is just more of your trolling. |
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Justan Olphart wrote:
On 8/23/2015 10:53 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame every argument? How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant? He did try to mediate a family dispute a while ago. It cost him severe wrist and forearm injuries. Thank god the guy was a skinny little pip squeak, or KKKrause's injuries would have probably been life threatening if he had picked on someone his own size. Um, you know he fell down the stairs, right? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 10:53 AM, wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:00:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. We don't hear about much bravery from you. Why is that how you frame every argument? How brave is it to go buy a chicken from Giant? Hey, last year I stopped a guy who was verbally abusing and manhandling a woman, and suffered a broken wrist for my trouble, an injury that at best is only 90% "healed." Sorry, shooting squirrels or just about any critter just isn't something that I see as brave or sporting. But, of course, opinions vary. Takes no bravery to buy a chicken from Giant or, I suppose, Publix. Buying one from Wal-Mart, though...not something I would do. OMG, are you still telling that lie? LOL! |
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On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me know how that works out for you. I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport hunting" or "sport hunters." They why won't you shut the **** up about it? This is just more of your trolling. Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is that a new rule that you follow? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/24/15 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:39 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 11:29 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. What about chicken? No hoof either, and no cud. Chicken is not "meat." It ain't? Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." Not what you wrote. Words matter. Sorry, Bill, but you are way down on the list of those whose opinions on words and such I would consider. You did see the word "meat" in quotes, right, and the references to Leviticus, right? Bull****. Words matter. |
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On 8/24/15 6:47 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 6:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 4:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 8/24/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:21:47 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 2:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/24/2015 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. That's just Harry's style. Ironically, it's also Donald Trump's style. It's why I got sick of attempting any discussion with Harry. He reverts to dishonesty in his accusations (i.e. if you don't like or support Hilary you are automatically a "right-winger"). That's bull****. True. Your dishonesty is downright bull****. -- Ban idiots, not guns! And his bull**** is downright dishonest. He's in big trouble now. Calling Luddite a liar. Sheeesh. Luddite was his last friend of any consequence. Heh. Harry says, "That's bull****"? Holy crap. I lost count of the number of times I pointed out to him that I am not "anti-Democrat" ... I am anti-Hillary. I even expressed hope that other more qualified Dems declare their candidacy. But it doesn't matter to him. Because I can't support his preference of a POTUS nominee, he continued referring the GOP as being "my party" or Jeb Bush "my man". Since he only has one criteria by which he categorizes *all* Republicans (republi-trash) it follows that he includes me in that group. That's dishonest, but it's par for the course in Harry's world I guess. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, a group that Harry doesn't think exists apparently, yet Independents make up the majority of voters. My preference for a candidate is the Democrat who will beat any Republican nominee. I don't really care who that Dem is, but I think it is Hillary Clinton. I like Bernie Sanders a lot more than any other candidate running, but I don't think a "socialist" can win the general election. Martin O'Malley is a non-starter. The former U.S. Senator from Virginia, Luddie's favorite, has less appeal than beige ceiling paint. Joe Biden is a terrific guy in all respects, but I don't see him winning the White House. Luddite has been a vociferous supporter of Jeb Bush here, and lately has been touting Trump some. Anybody is better than some brain dead stroke victim trying to hide from the press... I had no idea you were considering a run. BTW, how's your motorbike racing team doing this season? Haven't heard much about it. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:03:46 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:45:05 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Not in the sense of barnyard animals with hooves who also chew their cuds. That was my reference to "meat." === *Your* reference is based on *your* superstitions. Of course *your* superstitions have much more validity than anyone elses since you are so *special*. I imagine the wiki article on kosher meat did not tell him about chicken. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:25:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me know how that works out for you. I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport hunting" or "sport hunters." They why won't you shut the **** up about it? This is just more of your trolling. Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is that a new rule that you follow? The rule I always follow is to be able to debate someone's position without an ad hominem personal attack. It seems to elude you. |
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On 8/24/15 9:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:25:16 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 6:53 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:41:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 12:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:05:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:59 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:29:42 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 11:16 AM, wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:44:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/24/15 10:36 AM, wrote: Shooting. Target practice. Oh, and your concept of "winning" is absurd. Is it a sport? Do you feel brave when you do it? Why would I feel like a "brave, great white hunter" shooting targets and sodapop bottles? Oh, competitive target/range shooting is a sport. Killing a dumb animal is not. So why do you need to bring up "brave" in the first place? How brave are you walking around in the woods packing heat in case you might run into a petulant pomeranian? We have hiked all over the west where you see rattlesnakes, wolves and bears. I never felt the need to pack and I was never really scared. There are black bears and cougars (AKA Florida Panthers) within walking distance of my house. I am not scared at all when I mow the lawn Why do you think your experience or lack of it with bears and cougars is relevant to the packs of feral dogs that were and maybe still are active around some of the trails above the Shenandoah River? Sounds like an irrational fear to me mr braveheart. My use of the term "brave white hunter" is sarcastic and literary, by the way. In case you don't get it. Which, apparently, you don't. No I do not understand why you need to **** on everyone who doesn't think exactly like you about things. It is not like you are standing on the moral high ground of a vegan or even someone with credible environmental credentials. My disdain for "great white hunters" and their "sport" has nothing to do with vegetarianism or environmentalism. If you think that, perhaps it is just too existential for you. It is just not a position that makes much sense when you step back and look at it. You have no problem killing for food, as long as you don't have to watch and you don't mind killing a stray dog but someone who kills for food is the target of your "disdain". I guess you know, democrats hunt too? It is not all just republicans. Just to put this in perspective, I have not hunted for close to 40 years but I still defend the right to do it and I do not feel the desire to **** on people who do. So, everyone should feel and behave as you do on this issue, eh? Let me know how that works out for you. I don't give a **** whether you hunt or not. I don't like "sport hunting" or "sport hunters." They why won't you shut the **** up about it? This is just more of your trolling. Oh, I see. We're not supposed to mention here what we don't like. Is that a new rule that you follow? The rule I always follow is to be able to debate someone's position without an ad hominem personal attack. It seems to elude you. What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have no desire or need to try to win you over to my side. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:02:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: I was referring to animals with hooves who chew their cud as kosher meat. I suppose that was far too abstract for the boys here. === You have told us many times that it's all superstition, kosher and everything else. You can't have it both ways so sit down, shutup, and eat that guinea pig. |
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On Sunday, August 23, 2015 at 6:06:25 PM UTC-7, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/23/15 8:48 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 7:50 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 3:48 PM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/23/15 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 10:10:01 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:50:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 11:38 AM, wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 8/22/15 9:38 AM, Tim wrote: Cheap ammo? Yes and no. I like the Russian for its close range punch. Besides I have several a few other .223. This would be a better option to the SKS. Close range punch? Destroying concrete blocks? :) The only 30 caliber I recall shooting is a 300 blackout, which, I suppose, is wimpy compared to the round you're considering. Wolf Gold in .223 is back down under 30 cents a round again.. It's my cheap ammo of choice. 100 yards is the farthest distance for shooting to which I have easy access, and for popping targets, .223 and .357 MAG do the job for me, and, if I aim high enough, .22LR. Now, if I could only shoot my revolver really accurately at 50 yards or more... :) The redeeming thing I have heard about the .300 blackout is it is better in sub sonic, which would be important if you have a can. If you just want to shoot a lot, the price of 7.62x39 is hard to beat. The world is awash with it. Brass cased 7.62x39 is just a penny or so a round cheaper than brass cased .223. Brass cased 300 blackout is twice as expensive. The subsonic 300 blackout is substantially more expensive than that. I have some bricks of "suppressor" .22LR ammo, but I haven't perceived that it is quieter than CCI's standard velocity ammo, which can be had nowadays for seven to 10 cents a round if you keep an eye out for it. The subsonic thing mostly affects the sound down range. Behind the barrel you don't hear much of the crack but you get all of the gun noise. 22rf drops below super sonic pretty fast anyway, particularly out of a hand gun. Have you tried these http://www.midwayusa.com/product/250...ead-round-nose I have a couple bricks and they seem very quiet in an unsupressed rifle. They make up for the low speed with more weight to maintain down range performance. Why not use .22 shorts? I think that 65gr bullet would do better on squirrels if that is what you do. Ahh, squirrel hunting...that's what brave men do, because they can make squirrelskin caps for their grandkids and grill the meat on the barbecue. If you live in an Italian boarding house, was squirrel cachetore (so). Krause considers squirrel hunting a show of courage. Probably never ate squirrel in his life. I prefer rabbit, but squirrel's not bad, unless it's a 15 year-old tough assed boar. -- Good grief, the stupid runs deep in you, Herring. Did you make these for your grandkids, Mr. Brave White Hunter? http://tinyurl.com/oy7azwl Oh, you're right...I don't eat rodents like squirrels, mice, rats, prairie dogs, porcupines, beavers, guinea pigs, or hamsters. Or rabbits. Now, if you are hunting armed only with a camera and you get real close to wild animals who can rip off and eat your face, then...you are a brave hunter and sportsman/woman. Guinea pig is tough and greasy. At least the one I was served in Peru. They are raised there for food. The Last Supper paining in the city of Cusco main church has a roasted guinea Pig on the platter. I'll be glad to take your word on that. :) Why would guinea pig be not kosher? Not really swine. Pics http://www.delange.org/CathedralCusc...edralCusco.htm Because it doesn't chew its cud and it doesn't have split hooves. Both are requirements for "meat" to be kosher. Leviticus 11:3-8: Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Thus, the guinea pig is not kosher. Eat anything you want, it's all "Kosher" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...6&version=NRSV |
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