On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/17/2015 6:39 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!



Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:39 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!



Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/18/15 8:17 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:39 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!



Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!



Yup...we're on our way to Herring's 30+ posts today about toy airplanes.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:27:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/18/15 8:17 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:39 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!



Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!



Yup...we're on our way to Herring's 30+ posts today about toy airplanes.

What can I say? Eriksson keeps asking questions and I answer them. He then calls me
an asshole 'cause he doesn't like the answers.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 8:17:27 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!
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Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Say, aren't "real" airplanes and a pilot's license just toys for wealthy boys?

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:50:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 8:17:27 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Say, aren't "real" airplanes and a pilot's license just toys for wealthy boys?

I'm not getting into finances. But it does kinda sound like that. Can one order a
Piper from Amazon? This is what I want when I grow up:

http://tinyurl.com/ofvvkzb
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Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:17:31 -0500, Abit Loco wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:42:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 6:39 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:17:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 5:58 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:34:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/17/2015 12:16 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:54:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/16/15 7:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2015 6:31 PM, wrote:
On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:25:26 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

The big difference between simulators/real airplanes and RC airplanes
- in sims or
real planes, the nose of the plane is in front of you. With an RC
plane, at least
part of the time, the nose is pointed at you. That means the left and
right controls
are reversed. This, I believe, is what causes the most problems, at
least for me.

Another related difference is that pilots in a real plane has a seat
of the pants, first person view. Not so with RC.

Something that helps newbies to RC is that when the airplane is flying
towards you and the controls are reversed, your can turn your body so
the transmitter is faced the same way as the plane, but look back over
your shoulder at the plane. That way the stick moves to the right,
the plane moves to the right. It's a crutch, but with some more stick
time it'll come naturally.



I don't think there's much at all in common comparing RC flying and
flying a real airplane. Speed scale is totally different. Turns
and maneuvers are not anything close to being realistic to flying an
airplane.

I see it as a fun hobby for many but to compare it to actually flying
an airplane it isn't even close.



What happens when your toy plane crashes? It breaks.
What happens when a real airplane crashes? Death and destruction.

And that, my friends, is the big difference!



The chances of you crashing a real airplane are pretty slim compared to
crashing a RC. First of all, while under instruction your CFI isn't
keen on crashing. By the time you are ready to solo you will be well
qualified in the eyes of your instructor.

When you consider the number of people taking flight lessons every day
across the country and the number of small aircraft pilots flying every
day, the safety record is pretty high and the number of crashes are low.


Have you ever 'buddy-boxed' with an RC instructor pilot? While under instruction, the
instructor isn't keen on you ruining your airplane. He has a switch which immediately
gives him control of the aircraft if he thinks trouble is approaching.



When I was actively flying the thought of ruining the airplane never
crossed my mind.

John, if you want to believe that flying a $200 airplane by remote
control emulates flying a real airplane, more power to you.
I see them as two completely different experiences that require totally
different skill sets. Any licensed pilot can remember every single
detail of their first solo flight when the CFI was no longer sitting
beside you and once you went up ... getting down alive was entirely
dependent on you. Second is the cross country phase where navigation
becomes key. With RC flying you don't lose where you are. I remember
some of the early flight lessons when the instructor would tell me
to head back to the airport ... and I just stared at the ground
wondering where the hell I was. These have nothing to do with
controlling or flying the airplane but are part of "real" flying.

If you think there are *no* similarities between flying an RC aircraft (of any cost)
and flying the real airplane, then more power to you.

Now you're comparing flying an RC airplane to getting a pilot's license for a real
airplane. Why not compare it to flying and landing an F/A-18 on a carrier. I'll bet
that's much different from landing an RC airplane in the grass.

True, when flying an RC airplane, the pilot never loses where *he* is. But, they
often lose where the airplane is. Happened to me a couple weeks ago. I flew the
airplane beyond my ability to see it. The clouds were much the same color as the
airplane. Had to yell for help. Young guy came and got it back for me.

Just calm down a bit. No one is trying to denigrate your experience in getting your
pilot's license. And, when you pushed that stick left or right, you were steering the
airplane, whether you like it or not!



Whatever you say Captain Herring. I admit that I have many more hours
logged flying for real than I have flying a RC airplane, standing on the
ground and controlling it with basically a game controller.
Maybe if I did it more often I'd learn how similar it is to the real thing.

Then again, probably not. No interest.


with a

Let's see...ingrained racist, Aunt Clara, Sheriff, and now Captain...all in a couple
months.

From now on, whenever you're flying your real airplane, you will think this:

"STICK LEFT, STEER LEFT"

"STICK RIGHT, STEER RIGHT"

That thought will become ingrained. Don't ever mistake it with countersteering!

And now 'asshole' can be added to the list.

You're giving Krause a real run for his money!
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Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.