On 11/6/14 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:26:40 -0600, Califbill
wrote:


Two of my cousins were cops. They hated domestic violence calls, as part
of the time the assaulted one, would turn on the cops. One of their
coworkers was killed responding to a domestic violence case. And these
days, people like Harry go to jail for assault, as the wife refuses to
testify. And may even be likely someone who likes to beat up the
girlfriend, is armed. Call the cops and start filming. Only intervene if
they are being killed. Maybe I am a wimp but I will be a live wimp and not
in jail.

The last cop killed around here was responding to a domestic.



Fortunately, women who are being physically abused don't have to rely on
2A gunnutzis with no spine.

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economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:36:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:18:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 3:01 PM, wrote:

I am sure the love birds had kissed and made up before Harry even saw
his first doctor.
Of all the things I might be tempted to intervene in, a domestic
dispute would be the last one and I certainly would not get in a fight
over it. I didn't always feel that way but after being neck deep in a
bunch of them, a lot of times involving the same couples, I am not
really that interested in kicking that tar baby.
I lived in a white trash and black folks apartment building (Dennis
Grove in PG county) for 4 years and I have seen plenty.



I can understand your feelings although you have absolutely no idea how
the couple (assuming they were a couple) resolved or didn't resolve the
issue in Harry's encounter.

We could settle that pretty quickly. What did the cops do when they
got there. If we had the location we could all look the call up
ourselves.

Thinking about it though, it might have been better if Harry had asked
the woman if she was in danger or needed assistance before addressing
the guy. Then again, I wasn't there and all you can do is speculate on
what the fluid situation was.


You are starting to think like me now.
From my experience, simply calling a guy like this out stops the
abuse.
If he does turn around and say "**** you old man, I'm going to kick
your ass too" you really have to wonder if getting into it with him is
the prudent thing to do. I would certainly want to pick up something
heavy.
Would you jump in on Ray Rice?

"Farewell and adieu to you spanish ladies"


Sheesh...it's Neville Chamberlain, all over again.

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:33:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

I think the presence of any of the people you slander here would
humble you.

Snerk

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On 11/6/2014 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:08:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 2:50 PM, wrote:

Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Problem is the police are not always available at the moment of the assault.

If I came upon an altercation with two seemingly equal opponents I'd
likely mind my own business. But, as in the situation Harry came upon,
it involves a guy beating up on a woman and/or child, or someone beating
up on a defenseless elderly person, I'd would do my best to intervene.

How about a situation when someone is being assaulted and crying out
"Help"?

I would certainly take time to assess the situation unless it was a
situation where the "use of force:" was clearly present. (imminent
threat of grave bodily harm) If that is true, I would have the cops
coming before I did anything.
I am still going to be trying to talk this guy down, outside of
"swing" distance. If this guy keeps pounding on his wife/GF while I am
taking cell phone pictures and hollering at him to stop, I would feel
better about trying to hurt him.

If there was any question at all, Zimmerman cleared it up.
The use of force is a high hurdle to leap. You never know when you
jump in, where this is going to go.
I am too damned old to just trade blows with someone like I did when I
was young. I am going for a "stopper" and those can cause permanent
injuries or death. It is the intent.
When you watch your best friend go to prison for a fist fight gone
bad, you become a lot more cautious. I trained with him.
Harry is damned lucky the guy he knocked down, was not seriously hurt.
If he calls a lawyer, his sweety is just as likely to be saying Harry
was the aggressor as not, particularly if they have made up already.
Promises of a big payday can make a troubled relationship stronger.

Like I said, blame it on the lawyers.




Yup, it's all about what you can prove. I know a mx kid who caught a guy
stealing his mountain bike. He chased the thief down and really kicked
the guys ass.. lot's of tissue and blood all over his work boots, and he
posted a picture... I told the kid to take the pic right down cause
although he might not be able to prove the guy tried to steal his bike,
the guy could sure prove our friend kicked his ass good. All the guy has
to do is say "I was walking by and the guy came out and kicked my
ass"... and our bud would be ****ed...

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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:33:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

I think the presence of any of the people you slander here would
humble you.

He has gone bankrupt twice, so probably not subject to being sued. Just
jail for assault.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 4:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:44:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:39:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could. End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."



I have been involved with these things more times than I like to think
about and I know a lot of cops. Women tend to stand by their man, no
matter what a weasel he is.

As for the self defense issue. I have taken the course several times
and they all emphasize, distance is your friend.
If you do not want to end up in a fist fight or a scramble on the
ground, keep some distance.
If you want to fight, just give them your best shot right away and be
prepared to face the consequences.
Just don't be surprised if the woman you "rescued" testifies against
you. She is still going to go home and sleep with the weasel about 90%
of the time. (just look at all of those football players and the women
they beat the **** out of)
This "Don Quixote" stuff is great in the movies but don't count on
Dulcinea taking your side when it is all over.


Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Wow. A right wing libertarian who says leave it to the police. I can
envision you and your gun nutzi 2A buddies here standing on the sidewalk
with your hands in your pockets watching some thug beat up a woman or a child.

Brave men, all of you.




You seem to be the gun nutz here! Bragging about all the guns you buy and
sell, and build.


A gun nutzi is someone who puts the 2A ahead of common sense.


Nope!

It is called low self-esteem, that is why many of them go back.

Looks to me like Harry saw a damsel in distress and he went to her aid. I commend him for his actions. The what-ifs of this situation are many and domestic disputes are ones that we should be careful to involve ourselves in.

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On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.
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On 11/6/2014 11:05 PM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Like I said before, his story is like Swiss cheese.