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Harry's recent "incident"
Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured
in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:15:41 PM UTC-5, Wayne. B wrote:
So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. I'm sure we all wished that krause had gotten the beating he so rightly deserves. krause is a liar, anyway, and not to be taken as truthful about anything. |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:15:16 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. Pull out cell phone and call cops. If the situation occurred as described, Harry was very, very lucky the guy didn't pull a gun on him - or just beat the **** out of him. Must have been a real small guy. |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:15:16 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. I think he did exactly the right thing. Certainly didn't warrant pulling a gun on the guy. What Harry did is what most guys would do, I think. Someone takes a swing at you, your immediate and instinctive reaction is to swing back. Someone gives you a shove, you shove back. I don't see anything controversial or even unusual. He should feel good that he stopped the physical abuse of the woman and kid. |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On 11/5/2014 7:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:15:16 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. I think he did exactly the right thing. Certainly didn't warrant pulling a gun on the guy. What Harry did is what most guys would do, I think. Someone takes a swing at you, your immediate and instinctive reaction is to swing back. Someone gives you a shove, you shove back. I don't see anything controversial or even unusual. He should feel good that he stopped the physical abuse of the woman and kid. Oh my God.... |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On 11/5/14 7:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:15:16 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. Pull out cell phone and call cops. If the situation occurred as described, Harry was very, very lucky the guy didn't pull a gun on him - or just beat the **** out of him. Must have been a real small guy. six footer but skinny and stupid, like you...he let a guy twice his age drop him. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:34:27 AM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
six footer but skinny and stupid, like you...he let a guy twice his age drop him. Sure, krause....sure. Most likely krause got bumped into at the Starbucks, spilling his Mocha Latte, and krause verbally berated him. Besides, krause isn't smart enough to cure the pustules on his fat, greasy, old body. |
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Harry's recent "incident"
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:15:41 PM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of troubling questions are raised in my mind. Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and had no priors. Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day. Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury? Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic. So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think. For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult. Krause boasts of his cell phone use. He should have taken a video of this supposed *incident* to be used against the perpetrator as evidence on a court of law, thus invoking a justice more worthy than a mere punch in the jaw. However, here he proceeds to construct an uncanny tale of valour to proves his heroism and chivalry. Actually, he needed not to bring the subject to mind. We all know he is inflicted with a limp-wrist anyway. |
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