On 10/28/2014 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


snerk

On 10/28/2014 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.


He's already been shot at three times. I'm surprised he doesn't wear a
bullet proof vest 24/7. Can't be too careful nowadays.

On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm
going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found,
produces the biggest "explosions."

I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s.

They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left
behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go"
tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in
those Cheney Saturday Night Specials.

And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15.
It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok
but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount
of pull.

For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job
right out of the Grapes of Wrath.




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On 10/28/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:41:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

To suggest that any President can effectively negate any part of the
Constitution or Bill of Rights is ludicrous.
\

JFK/LBJ/RFK had no problem negating the 4th amendment, Lincoln ignored
habeas corpus and FDR stomped all over about half of the bill of
rights in various things he did. (Interning the japs, illegal
surveillance, secrecy acts, military tribunals for civilians etc)

Of course they can.


As the article states ... the Supreme Court told Harry Truman that
executive orders can apply to *enforcing* laws but not *making* laws.




"Habeas Corpus" is not in the Bill of Rights. It *is* referred to in
the Constitution however (Article 1 Section 9). But if you read the
Article, it specifically says that "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas
Corpus shall not be suspended, *unless when in Cases of Rebellion or
Invasion the public Safety may require it*.

Lincoln (and Congress) determined it was required in the Civil War.

FDR's actions in WWII was also a temporary suspension of Habeas Corpus
and for the same technical reasons. It's unlikely any President would
get away with it now-a-days however.

The last I knew the 4th Amendment was alive and well.
If those affected by the actions of JFK/LBJ/RFK had filed suit, they
would have won.. or should have. I am not sure as to the specifics of
what you refer to.

On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida



LOL ... no

The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years.
You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows
the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might
investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer.

I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun.
It's just for the fingerprinting.


As I said, you missed the fee per gun part.



What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that.

On 10/28/14 6:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:41:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

To suggest that any President can effectively negate any part of the
Constitution or Bill of Rights is ludicrous.
\

JFK/LBJ/RFK had no problem negating the 4th amendment, Lincoln ignored
habeas corpus and FDR stomped all over about half of the bill of
rights in various things he did. (Interning the japs, illegal
surveillance, secrecy acts, military tribunals for civilians etc)

Of course they can.


As the article states ... the Supreme Court told Harry Truman that
executive orders can apply to *enforcing* laws but not *making* laws.




"Habeas Corpus" is not in the Bill of Rights. It *is* referred to in
the Constitution however (Article 1 Section 9). But if you read the
Article, it specifically says that "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas
Corpus shall not be suspended, *unless when in Cases of Rebellion or
Invasion the public Safety may require it*.

Lincoln (and Congress) determined it was required in the Civil War.

FDR's actions in WWII was also a temporary suspension of Habeas Corpus
and for the same technical reasons. It's unlikely any President would
get away with it now-a-days however.

The last I knew the 4th Amendment was alive and well.
If those affected by the actions of JFK/LBJ/RFK had filed suit, they
would have won.. or should have. I am not sure as to the specifics of
what you refer to.





Greg is relying on his "Libertarian" readings.

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A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.



You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut
(or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike,
drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I
want to be ready and able to greet him properly.


Paranoid.

On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.



You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut
(or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike,
drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I
want to be ready and able to greet him properly.


Paranoid.


Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind
the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's
missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so
afraid of?

On 10/28/2014 11:21 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop
door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus
the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking
device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored
in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed
to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns
are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying
one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the
middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring
the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around
from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night,
with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !




You must live in a crappy neighborhood.



I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your
neighborhood.

Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the
violent
crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your
'hood.


Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think
need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my
hood.
Mostly white collar criminal.



You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut
(or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's
motorbike,
drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I
want to be ready and able to greet him properly.


Paranoid.


Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind
the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's
missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so
afraid of?

Apparently me

An unloaded gun is nothing more than a paperweight. No children only adults in my home. My 9 mm and .357 are kept loaded and ready if needed. My shotgun, SKS and Mosin Nagant are kept unloaded. They are pretty much overkill in a home defense situation inside. Outside a different story.