KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show
my expertise with Trompe-l'Å“il oil painting.


Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol.

Paint by number?


It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of
perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction
to art class.
In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near
the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use
that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer.
Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than
objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those
imaginary lines.
The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view
is that you are representing.

My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal.
I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found
the love for the process.


My mom was an artist and painted with Oil for years... harry doesn't
paint, all he does is lie on the internet... lol!

Sarcasm, moron.
--
Posted from my iPhone

On 10/29/2014 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 8:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100
for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida



LOL ... no

The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years.
You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process
allows
the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they
might
investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer.

I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun.
It's just for the fingerprinting.


As I said, you missed the fee per gun part.



What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with
that.

I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it
would
sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a
firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the
Constitution to
pass such a law in a city, county, or state?



Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not
me.

$13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun
registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does.

We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations
current.

We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid.

All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun
safety
and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment
and
refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the
population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense.

What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's
the
going rate for a full hookup at a campsite?

Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy.


Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple
years to
keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote.

True, but I see the whole thing differently. There is much concern and
controversy surrounding firearm ownership now-a-days, some with good
reason.

Some anti-gun people and groups advocate the ban on them altogether and
continue to challenge the "meaning" of the 2nd Amendment. We don't live
in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Trying to defend gun rights on the nuance and
interpretation of the 2A wording may backfire someday with a more
liberal Supreme Court. If that happens ... gun owners are screwed.

Rather than dig in our heels and reject every attempt to put reasonable
controls on gun ownership, why not try to understand the reasoning of
others and be willing to compromise without giving away your rights? If
you notice, the lack of compromise and willingness to respect other
views/concerns on issues is at the core of a totally dysfunctional
government. It's not how rational, mature people resolve an issue.




Because for liberals, "compromise" is just a stepping stone to an end...


I didn't expect anything otherwise from you, but that's ok. Some people
will never have any empathy for others. It's all about them and what
*they* think.



Wow, coming from you that's pretty funny...

On 10/29/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show
my expertise with Trompe-l'Å“il oil painting.


Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol.

Paint by number?


It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of
perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction
to art class.
In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near
the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use
that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer.
Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than
objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those
imaginary lines.
The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view
is that you are representing.

My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal.
I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found
the love for the process.


Well, of course you didn't, because appreciation of art or the creation
of it, why, they are liberal arts pursuits.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.� -
Norman Mailer

On 10/29/14 8:21 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I knew Jimmy
Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW
client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his
union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when
Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early
Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times.

===

With friends like that you really don't need any enemies.

I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot
with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened
to a nicer guy.


We had two dirty business agents who screwed the Union. One slapped the
girl he was dating around, her father was a big "Italian" guy from
Windsor Locks, and a week or so later the girl got her fiance to go down
parking by the river where he apparently held his hand outside of the
car, shot himself in the forehead and the bullet ended up in the
passenger seat, the pistol in his lap.. Suicide it was ruled.. The
next guy came home one night and found his home burned, family dead....
not fun guys...

Sounds like they met the "full patch" motorcycle gang member you were
threatening me with, eh?


--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

On 10/29/2014 9:00 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 8:45 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 8:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

$35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100
for six
years up here. Free if 70 or over.


Per gun? Eeek!

You will love Florida



LOL ... no

The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years.
You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process
allows
the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they
might
investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer.

I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per
gun.
It's just for the fingerprinting.


As I said, you missed the fee per gun part.



What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with
that.

I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it
would
sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a
firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the
Constitution to
pass such a law in a city, county, or state?



Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not
me.

$13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable
gun
registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does.

We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations
current.

We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and
valid.

All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun
safety
and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment
and
refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the
population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense.

What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's
the
going rate for a full hookup at a campsite?

Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy.


Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple
years to
keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote.

True, but I see the whole thing differently. There is much concern and
controversy surrounding firearm ownership now-a-days, some with good
reason.

Some anti-gun people and groups advocate the ban on them altogether and
continue to challenge the "meaning" of the 2nd Amendment. We don't
live
in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Trying to defend gun rights on the nuance
and
interpretation of the 2A wording may backfire someday with a more
liberal Supreme Court. If that happens ... gun owners are screwed.

Rather than dig in our heels and reject every attempt to put reasonable
controls on gun ownership, why not try to understand the reasoning of
others and be willing to compromise without giving away your rights? If
you notice, the lack of compromise and willingness to respect other
views/concerns on issues is at the core of a totally dysfunctional
government. It's not how rational, mature people resolve an issue.




Because for liberals, "compromise" is just a stepping stone to an end...


I didn't expect anything otherwise from you, but that's ok. Some people
will never have any empathy for others. It's all about them and what
*they* think.



Wow, coming from you that's pretty funny...

Maybe you don't know me as well as you think you do. Not surprising.
There are issues and problems in the world that experts in their fields
wrestle with everyday because there are no black or white answers.
But not so for Scott Ingersol. He has it all figured out because he got
the straight scoop from FoxNews.

On 10/29/2014 9:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show
my expertise with Trompe-l'Å“il oil painting.


Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol.

Paint by number?


It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of
perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction
to art class.
In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near
the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use
that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer.
Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than
objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those
imaginary lines.
The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view
is that you are representing.

My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal.
I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found
the love for the process.


Well, of course you didn't, because appreciation of art or the creation
of it, why, they are liberal arts pursuits.



So? I like music but I can't sing worth a damn.

On 10/29/14 9:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 9:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or
show
my expertise with Trompe-l'Å“il oil painting.


Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol.

Paint by number?


It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of
perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction
to art class.
In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near
the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use
that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer.
Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than
objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those
imaginary lines.
The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view
is that you are representing.

My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal.
I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found
the love for the process.


Well, of course you didn't, because appreciation of art or the creation
of it, why, they are liberal arts pursuits.



So? I like music but I can't sing worth a damn.



But you play a few instruments, right? So, you sing with instruments.


--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.� -
Norman Mailer

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:25:46 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D lied AGAIN, and posted :

Oh, I've known a few of the "real deal" guys over the years.

Nice fellows, and far less crooked than your banksters. I knew Jimmy
Hoffa -distantly-

That's the biggest pile of **** lie you've told to date you old, wrinkled failure.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:02:44 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I knew Jimmy
Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW
client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his
union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when
Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early
Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times.

===

With friends like that you really don't need any enemies.

I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot
with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened
to a nicer guy.



Oh, I've worked with much tougher guys than those gents. My junior high
school girlfriend's father was a caporegime in the family headed by
Frank Costello, and her family took me one Christmas holiday to
Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, where we spent a week "comped" at a hotel owned
(controlled?) by Costello. Great girl, great family.



Sure, krause....another ****ing TOTAL lie.

On 10/29/2014 9:46 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 9:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 9:24 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or
show
my expertise with Trompe-l'Å“il oil painting.


Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol.

Paint by number?


It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of
perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction
to art class.
In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near
the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use
that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer.
Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than
objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those
imaginary lines.
The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view
is that you are representing.

My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal.
I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found
the love for the process.


Well, of course you didn't, because appreciation of art or the creation
of it, why, they are liberal arts pursuits.



So? I like music but I can't sing worth a damn.



But you play a few instruments, right? So, you sing with instruments.



Can't play them worth a damn either. When I sing my neighbor's cat howls.