On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:40:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Many of the violent offenders in prison have absolutely no clue what
living a normal, law abiding life is all about. They live in a narrow
little world and many feel *they* are the victims. I get the sense that
no amount of therapy or rehabilitation will ever permanently change
their views or lifestyle. It's almost like it's in their DNA.

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Yes, I knew a kid like that. There's no doubt in my mind that he
ended up being a career criminal. It was definitely in his DNA.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:45:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

No one that I know of has buried his head in the sand and ignored gun
control. We may have differing views on what is legitimate and what
isn't, but to accuse those who disagree with you of 'burying heads in
the sand' is going a bit overboard.


I am talking about the people who scream "2A" whenever a proposal of any
kind is put forth to try to control gun violence with no consideration
whatsoever to the rational behind the proposal.

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The vast majority of those proposals are politically inspired "feel
good" legislation that don't really accomplish anything but lead to a
creeping erosion of personal rights.

On 10/30/2014 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:50:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Well, I'm glad you're satisfied with the laws in your state. I'm glad
I can legally buy and own a Kimber .45!


Different issue.


Not entirely. What happens when the suddenly decide to make a gun you
own, illegal?
Then they decide the fair market price is the melt weight of the steel
or some other ridiculous price and they want you to turn it in for
that "just compensation" (assuming they even honor the 5th amendment).
You registered it, they know you have it.


They don't give fair market price. Look what happened in New London Ct
when the SCOTUS allowed the Govt to sell that families house to a mall
developer...

KC wrote:
On 10/30/2014 3:06 PM, Califbill wrote:


I agree somewhat. I think there should be rational gun laws. What we have
now is a mishmash of a lot of hysteria driven, non enforced laws. And even
more ignorant laws coming. [ Where do you draw the line? ] Right
here!!!! THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE!!!
Like Harry's AR15!
Same weapon with a lighter barrel is illegal? A S&W 626 in stainless is
legal in California. Same exact weapon with the grey finish is illegal.
Never been tested and passed by the state. Absolutely stupid!


Most folks set the line right below what they already have....

What does this have to do with my statement?


Um, I answered the question you asked directly in sentence 5 of your
paragraph... Here, I will put it in brackets above to make it easier for you... snerk

Sneak my ass. Another BS statement by you.

On 10/30/2014 8:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:48:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Of course, there are the hard core gun nuts who jump to the claim that
registration automatically means confiscation someday. I don't think we
will ever see that happen.

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Based on the way things seem to be going, I don't think you can rule
it out. Rights are eroded one small step at a time. I don't
consider myself to be a hard core gun nut but do try to read the tea
leaves and check which way the wind is blowing.



I guess I've been reading different tea leaves.

If there has ever been a period for advocates of gun bans and/or repeal
of the 2A to be successful it was in the recent 18 month period that
involved something like 74 separate mass school shootings.

They couldn't even get a universal background check approved.

Even the liberal politicians don't want to touch the hot potato of gun
control despite many organizations and influential private citizens
trying to push legislation.

Instead, local governments and some state governments have enacted some
laws that limit magazine capacity or some types of firearms. That's more
political in isolated areas and really doesn't address the anti-gun
culture concerns. Harry's thick barrelled AR-15 (legal) vs the thin
barrel version (banned) is an example. Heck, even in the People's
Republic of Massachusetts I can legally own an AR-15. I just don't want
or need one.

On 10/30/2014 8:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 10/30/2014 3:06 PM, Califbill wrote:


I agree somewhat. I think there should be rational gun laws. What we have
now is a mishmash of a lot of hysteria driven, non enforced laws. And even
more ignorant laws coming. [ Where do you draw the line? ] Right
here!!!! THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE!!!
Like Harry's AR15!
Same weapon with a lighter barrel is illegal? A S&W 626 in stainless is
legal in California. Same exact weapon with the grey finish is illegal.
Never been tested and passed by the state. Absolutely stupid!


Most folks set the line right below what they already have....

What does this have to do with my statement?


Um, I answered the question you asked directly in sentence 5 of your
paragraph... Here, I will put it in brackets above to make it easier for you... snerk

Sneak my ass. Another BS statement by you.


smh...

In article ,
says...


And many would agree rightly so. I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

You'll get nowhere with this. DNA.

On 10/30/2014 8:26 PM, KC wrote:

On 10/30/2014 6:14 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2014 5:58 PM, KC wrote:



Deciding I was a tea party supporter because I mentioned "Dana". BTW, I
never said Dana Loash (sp), and I never said I supported the "Dana" at
all. Your arrogance let you decide who I was talking about, that I must
be a supporter, and that that made me a Tea Party Supporter... then your
insecurity really made you lash out at the lady... Could have been
talking about Dana Perino, I never really said but I guess it wouldn't
matter, you already got all the info that supports your point of vie..
er um, all you need... lol... For such a rich guy, you are pretty
narrow... for sure...


You are so full of **** it's unbelievable.
Funny though.



Your words... "...you are a tea party supporter, noted". You are
starting to act like harry krause.


First, there is no question as to which "Dana" you were referring to.
IIRC you referenced the interview with her that happened to be on
FoxNews. It was the only way I found out who she was.

Yes, I've concluded you are a Tea Party supporter based on your numerous
references and endorsements of Tea Party politicians and your many
references of admiration for FoxNews celebrities like Shawn Hannity.
You've lectured me to get news from sources other than MSNBC. I do. I
watch FoxNews to get their flavor on current events or subjects. I also
watch MSNBC, CNN and a couple of the major broadcast networks to get
their "flavor". You seem to only reference FoxNews as the only
reliable "news" source.

Given all that, I have concluded you are indeed a Tea Party supporter.
Nothing wrong with that ... it's your choice.

If I am wrong, I extend my apologies.

On 10/30/2014 9:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 7:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:57:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:50:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Well, I'm glad you're satisfied with the laws in your state. I'm glad
I can legally buy and own a Kimber .45!


Different issue.


Not entirely. What happens when the suddenly decide to make a gun you
own, illegal?
Then they decide the fair market price is the melt weight of the steel
or some other ridiculous price and they want you to turn it in for
that "just compensation" (assuming they even honor the 5th amendment).
You registered it, they know you have it.



Making previously legal guns "illegal" has been done before and in
several states. But they don't confiscate them. They grandfather them.
If you owned 'em before they became illegal, you can keep them.

But you can't sell them and in some places you can't even give them to
your heirs.
There are people who would push for laws that would not even
grandfather them in.

The rest of your post is pure conjecture.

Conjecture based on other laws that have been passed. There is some
ammo that was outlawed and if they catch you with it, you can be
charged, no matter when you bought it.



And many would agree rightly so. I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

You can't have it one way, A minute ago you were talking about rights
for minorities as a step forward.

I noticed you dodged the answer about the bill of rights protections
that we are losing and they are far more fundamental than gay marriage
and a parking place close to the door.



I didn't purposely dodge it. I didn't notice it. What was it again?

In article ,
says...

I didn't purposely dodge it. I didn't notice it. What was it again?

You simply forgot to don your tin hit.