On 10/28/2014 10:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:15 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 9:40 AM, KC wrote:


True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised
harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a
brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him..


Actually, the scariest thing to me is the existence of really ignorant,
incompetent people like you in this country who...breed.

I don't know who your "Dana" is, but...if I thought smart women were
scary, I wouldn't have married a woman who was working towards a
master's and Ph.D to help her get to the top of her profession.


Dana Loesch is a high school educated, college drop-out who then stayed
at home to home-school her kids. She's a Tea Party organizer and has
some kind of conservative talk show on radio.




I guess I should have said "guys like him"... lol

On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy
across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front
of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was
still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved
itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are
controlled by Democrats in City Hall.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?

Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people
fat.


True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised
harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a
brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him..

I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list,
but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay toilet.

Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones

On 10/28/2014 10:42 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:17 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.


I wouldn't leave a firearm out where it is easy to steal, or where a
passing neighborhood kid might grab it for a prank. Obviously, you
wouldn't, either.



No I wouldn't even if the laws governing their storage didn't exist.
I probably would if I lived in the wild west in 1840 but it doesn't
make any sense today.

Massachusetts maintains records on who owns what ... at least those
purchased since 1998. Having a firearm stolen without taking the lawful
precautions regarding storage and/or failure to immediately report the
firearm as lost or stolen can make you share liability for any crime
that may be committed with it.

It also makes tracking easier for law enforcement. For example, a
restraining order against a gun owner can result in the owner having to
lose custody of his/her firearms.

There is no federal law that requires the reporting of a lost or stolen
firearm but several states have such laws. They include:

Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting

Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)
Massachusetts
Michigan (thefts only)
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Rhode Island


I wasn't aware of that law, but I did assume if a firearm were stolen,
you'd report that to the local police.



Part of the reasoning behind the mandatory Loss/Theft reporting is that
if a crime was committed with the firearm or the owner was ordered by a
court to turn his/her firearms over due to something like a restraining
order, the owner just declared it had been stolen or lost.

It makes sense to me. Car insurance is another thing. Most states
require proof of having at least liability insurance on your cars. I
remember living in Illinois back in the early 70's. Illinois didn't
have a mandatory insurance requirement and many people tried to save
money by not carrying insurance. The Navy didn't buy it though. You
had to have proof of insurance in order to be issued a base sticker and
drive your vehicle on any military installation.

On 10/28/14 11:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:42 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:17 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door.
People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are
loaded
but kept in a safe.


I wouldn't leave a firearm out where it is easy to steal, or where a
passing neighborhood kid might grab it for a prank. Obviously, you
wouldn't, either.



No I wouldn't even if the laws governing their storage didn't exist.
I probably would if I lived in the wild west in 1840 but it doesn't
make any sense today.

Massachusetts maintains records on who owns what ... at least those
purchased since 1998. Having a firearm stolen without taking the lawful
precautions regarding storage and/or failure to immediately report the
firearm as lost or stolen can make you share liability for any crime
that may be committed with it.

It also makes tracking easier for law enforcement. For example, a
restraining order against a gun owner can result in the owner having to
lose custody of his/her firearms.

There is no federal law that requires the reporting of a lost or stolen
firearm but several states have such laws. They include:

Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting

Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Illinois
Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only)
Massachusetts
Michigan (thefts only)
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Rhode Island


I wasn't aware of that law, but I did assume if a firearm were stolen,
you'd report that to the local police.



Part of the reasoning behind the mandatory Loss/Theft reporting is that
if a crime was committed with the firearm or the owner was ordered by a
court to turn his/her firearms over due to something like a restraining
order, the owner just declared it had been stolen or lost.

It makes sense to me. Car insurance is another thing. Most states
require proof of having at least liability insurance on your cars. I
remember living in Illinois back in the early 70's. Illinois didn't
have a mandatory insurance requirement and many people tried to save
money by not carrying insurance. The Navy didn't buy it though. You
had to have proof of insurance in order to be issued a base sticker and
drive your vehicle on any military installation.


I always get a "paper trail" when I sell a firearm. I'm more than happy
to pay an FFL $20 for the transaction.

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On 10/28/2014 10:43 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:20:45 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/28/2014 8:24 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 8:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:06:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?



Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant
racist.

Have nice day.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an
argument with a liberal."

... Peter Brimelow


You're not equipped to debate.
Have nice day.


Again, you've shaken your brain loose with all the masDEBATING you do.

Quite appropriate. He can't seem to tell when Greg or Luddite has put
him down and stomped him, which seems to be about a dozen times daily.



Your assumption is that I take rec.boats seriously. As usual, your
assumption is wrong.



I sometimes enjoy the debates but also don't take anything seriously.

I remember rec.boats back in the mid 90's. Some of the "discussions"
were absolutely hilarious ... and in a good, positive vein. The great
"debate" about bilge pumps between Marcus and "Mrs.B". is a good
example. Then there was Skipper and his "Deadly Dick" fishing lure. I
used to read them laughing out loud. Times have changed.

On 10/28/14 11:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:43 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:29 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:20:45 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/28/2014 8:24 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 8:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:06:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?



Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant
racist.

Have nice day.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an
argument with a liberal."

... Peter Brimelow


You're not equipped to debate.
Have nice day.


Again, you've shaken your brain loose with all the masDEBATING you do.

Quite appropriate. He can't seem to tell when Greg or Luddite has put
him down and stomped him, which seems to be about a dozen times daily.



Your assumption is that I take rec.boats seriously. As usual, your
assumption is wrong.



I sometimes enjoy the debates but also don't take anything seriously.

I remember rec.boats back in the mid 90's. Some of the "discussions"
were absolutely hilarious ... and in a good, positive vein. The great
"debate" about bilge pumps between Marcus and "Mrs.B". is a good
example. Then there was Skipper and his "Deadly Dick" fishing lure. I
used to read them laughing out loud. Times have changed.





I do miss Skipper. He was the only *true conservative* in my memory in
rec.boats who could actually write in a clever and entertaining way.

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Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

On 10/28/2014 10:58 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here
in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago)
though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm.
They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either
locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing
under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still
must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.


Does a soft case on which you can padlock the zippers closed count as a
lockable container for a rifle?



Technically no. A zipper isn't a secure device, lock or no lock. I
believe the law requires a "lockable hard case" however most people I
know transport rifles in a soft case but have a trigger or chamber lock
installed. I don't know if that is technically legal but common sense
applies.

On 10/28/14 11:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06
right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone
and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy
across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the
street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front
of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was
still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved
itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the
numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it
hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all
the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.
Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in
the world.

The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you
take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United
States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have
the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are
controlled by Democrats in City Hall.

It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right?

Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people
fat.


True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised
harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a
brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him..

I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list,
but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay toilet.

Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones



Please...if someone bought a jar of honey for you and you sat outside
and poured it over your head, you couldn't troll for flies. You did get
a bite from FlaJim, of course, but he's just another 7th grader, like you.



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A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.

On 10/28/2014 11:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote:

John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People
ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S.
Constitution says I can" ...



Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that
disables it?

We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe
or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be
stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm.

My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded
but kept in a safe.

Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand
cannons ;-)


I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one
which is rare).

At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed.

I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle
of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the
house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room
to room.


These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a
5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM



.357 MAG ammo is... *loud* !


Why unloaded? Do you sleep walk?