On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in
a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and
danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two
of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the
issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have
many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined
shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them
don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several
classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And
it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too.

I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than
having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an
active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get
there is not a viable answer either.
Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the
classroom doors.

On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a
couple weeks, I see no problem arming them.
Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would
be more in favor of it




Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy.

You thinking about going?



Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics."

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:31:03 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher
during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year.

If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to
have guns, I will let you win that one.

Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did
you mean 'in school' after 'guns'?

They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are
they going to remember where they left their gun?


Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree
and not be so disdainful of those who did.


I have a university degree, and I agree with Gregg. And what does this
have to do with what Gregg stated?


Harry still hasn't figured out why Most of us think he's a turd.

I believe you are correct.

On 10/8/14 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:56:40 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he
openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a
marketable job skill.



Hehehe. Love it.

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“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.�
Sarah Palin

Here ye go Harry.
These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree.
Help em out, would ya?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd



They come to the same conclusion as my son in law's dad. The only job
skill is to teach other liberal arts majors.
If you have not learned how to think, read and write well by the time
you get out of K-12, 4 more years is not going to help much.



Well, a stint in the Navy didn't help FlaJim learn how to think, eh?

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Sarah Palin

On 10/8/14 10:44 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:42:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in
a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and
danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two
of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the
issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have
many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined
shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them
don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several
classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And
it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too.

I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than
having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an
active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get
there is not a viable answer either.
Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the
classroom doors.

On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a
couple weeks, I see no problem arming them.
Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would
be more in favor of it




Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy.

You thinking about going?



Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics."

Things like "why in the hell are we spending $10,000+ so you can shoot
zombies better"?

Tell me again, who is the prepper here?



I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons.



--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:17:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 10:44 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:42:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in
a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and
danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two
of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the
issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have
many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined
shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them
don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several
classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And
it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too.

I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than
having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an
active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get
there is not a viable answer either.
Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the
classroom doors.

On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a
couple weeks, I see no problem arming them.
Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would
be more in favor of it




Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy.

You thinking about going?



Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics."

Things like "why in the hell are we spending $10,000+ so you can shoot
zombies better"?

Tell me again, who is the prepper here?



I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons.

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons.

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.




--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons.

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.





So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more?

On 10/8/14 1:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons.

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is
not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.





So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more?




Education should be a lifelong and therefore neverending process.

The level of teaching, learning, debate, and writing in the most serious
upper level post-grad courses disciplines one's brain like almost
nothing found in the non-academic world.


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“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher
during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year.

If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to
have guns, I will let you win that one.

Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did
you mean 'in school' after 'guns'?

They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are
they going to remember where they left their gun?


Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree
and not be so disdainful of those who did.

Non responsive


Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher
education.

I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some
extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems
silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark
Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out
they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon.


My 28 year old (tattooed and pierced) is making 60 a year and she got
sick one month into college and never went back. Last I knew that's about
twice what my 30 yo with a masters is making. Not to mention my 30 yo had
to change courses at least once, maybe twice and still doesn't really
work in the field she paid so much to learn. So, bottom line is both
worked their asses off for experience, difference is one got paid while
doing it, the other paid dearly and will be for a long time for it..

The problem there, is the one with the masters got a semi worthless degree.
And $60K is not that much these days.

On 10/8/2014 11:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:56:40 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he
openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a
marketable job skill.



Hehehe. Love it.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.�
Sarah Palin

Here ye go Harry.
These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree.
Help em out, would ya?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd



They come to the same conclusion as my son in law's dad. The only job
skill is to teach other liberal arts majors.
If you have not learned how to think, read and write well by the time
you get out of K-12, 4 more years is not going to help much.



Well, a stint in the Navy didn't help FlaJim learn how to think, eh?


Noper. I got a good job in the Navy because I already knew how to think.

On the other hand, 4 years of college didn't do it for you, so you had
to go and get more. You still can't think rationally.