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WTF Happened To My 2nd?
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WTF Happened To My 2nd?
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/10/2014 12:41 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/10/14, 12:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/10/2014 11:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 5/10/14, 11:19 AM, wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2014 08:18:46 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: What "severe restrictions?" Background checks? Max magazine size? How's that going? I haven't kept up. "Severe restrictions" is like Romney saying he's a "severe Conservative". Try to pay attention to the threads you start. This is all about an existing law in New Jersey and a proposed federal law that would make virtually every handgun in America illegal. It sounds pretty severe to me. Speaking of handguns... I got a box of "real deal" .357 mag rounds (as opposed to the somewhat lighter Blazer aluminum case .357 rounds I had), and shot 18 of them. Got 11 of 'em within the circle at 50 yards, and got close enough to the center to scare it. The other seven probably are still in low earth orbit (that's just a joke, morons...) Wonderful sounds, even wearing earplugs *and* muffs. Recoil and muzzle flip not too bad, thanks to the avoirdupois of the revolver, I suppose, and the "rubber" grips. I wouldn't want to shoot this piece with wood grips. Well, not often. The S&W 627 I had (5" barrel) had wood grips. My wife shot a whole box of brass .357 magnum rounds through it. She didn't complain. Actually, she liked it. It was the first time in her life that she ever held or fired a handgun. She started out with my Ruger SR22 thinking that's all she'd be interested in because she never liked even holding a handgun. Next she tried the 38 Special and then the Walther 380. When it came time to try to 627 she was all over it. Expensive tastes. Haven't tried wood grips. My .357 came with Hogue rubber grips, and I bought the Hogue "Tamer" grips which look pretty much the same but have a chunk of blue rubber going down the backside of the grip on the inside. It definitely absorbs more of the recoil. I never felt that the recoil was that bad on the 627. It's a heavy gun. Krause is backpedaling. Narcissistic overload! |
WTF Happened To My 2nd?
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:59:06 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/10/14, 11:51 AM, Poquito Loco wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2014 11:19:06 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2014 08:18:46 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: What "severe restrictions?" Background checks? Max magazine size? How's that going? I haven't kept up. "Severe restrictions" is like Romney saying he's a "severe Conservative". Try to pay attention to the threads you start. This is all about an existing law in New Jersey and a proposed federal law that would make virtually every handgun in America illegal. It sounds pretty severe to me. And Krause used this as an opening to brag about his 'shooting prowess'. Yes, I'd believe he could hit this a couple times at 50 yards given enough ammo! https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...oYBkdDSIdmEvzg What's the matter, Johnnycakes? Someone call and tell you there were black people at the bluegrass festival? And what is the matter with you jackass. Did you spill your lighter fluid before your local chapters cross burning ritual? |
WTF Happened To My 2nd?
On 5/11/2014 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/11/2014 2:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Sorry. I thought you were referring to my "smart" comment. As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind. Being sane and responsible does. However: In past generations there were many reasons people didn't complete high school. In certain farming regions for example or unique situations where the kids were needed to help support the family. During WWII there were many who dropped out of high school to join the military. Most went on and received at least a GED and many went on to college under the GI bill. In today's world there aren't really many justified reasons for not getting at least a high school diploma. Since the 1960's our welfare and aid to people and families has increased over 700 percent. High tech farming has eliminated most of the grunt work requirements with higher yields. The government pays some farmers *not* to grow some crops. The purpose of getting an education ... even if it's only a high school diploma ... is so one can become self sufficient and a contributing member of society ... not a burden on it. Unfortunately our welfare system has created a culture whereby there is little motivation in many cases because Uncle Sam will provide. Unless someone is mentally disabled, physically disabled or has some boni fide reason for not sticking it out and getting a HS diploma or a GED, I could understand making some federal benefits unavailable. If you can't get a job ... go back to school and the benefits will continue. So, you would disqualify anybody who did not have a HS Diploma from having a weapon? Please note my comment, "As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind" however the more I think about it, maybe it should now-a-days, along with certain other rights and benefits normally allowed to responsible, contributing members of society. If someone is 18 years old, dropped out of high school, doesn't have a job or visible means of support .... should they be issued a permit for a handgun? My logic says "No". What does the Constitution say? Some folks like to be in charge and set the rules... Seems the qualifications always ignore their own deficiencies, really seems to be a blue state thing. I don't think bullies should have guns... The Constitution provides for the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that right necessarily extends to everyone. Laws already exist under the framework of the Constitution that nobody argues with because they are common sense interpretations. What state allows selling a hand gun to a 10 year old? What state allows legal selling of a firearm to a convicted felon? I also favor background checks. I also favor prohibiting firearm sales to those with diagnosed physiological disorders or mental illness. A basic education (high school diploma) is supposed to minimally prepare you for the adult world and means of supporting yourself as a contributing member of society. The reasons to drop out now-a-days are more by choice than by necessity and those who drop out are far more likely to become a burden on society rather than a contributing member. My logic says they are more likely to commit crimes to survive, having few other options for making a living. So, again I ask, "Should an 18 year old high school drop out be issued a permit to own a handgun?" I can see valid reasons to answer "No" just like a 10 year old shouldn't own one. |
WTF Happened To My 2nd?
On 5/11/14, 9:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/11/2014 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 5/11/2014 2:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Sorry. I thought you were referring to my "smart" comment. As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind. Being sane and responsible does. However: In past generations there were many reasons people didn't complete high school. In certain farming regions for example or unique situations where the kids were needed to help support the family. During WWII there were many who dropped out of high school to join the military. Most went on and received at least a GED and many went on to college under the GI bill. In today's world there aren't really many justified reasons for not getting at least a high school diploma. Since the 1960's our welfare and aid to people and families has increased over 700 percent. High tech farming has eliminated most of the grunt work requirements with higher yields. The government pays some farmers *not* to grow some crops. The purpose of getting an education ... even if it's only a high school diploma ... is so one can become self sufficient and a contributing member of society ... not a burden on it. Unfortunately our welfare system has created a culture whereby there is little motivation in many cases because Uncle Sam will provide. Unless someone is mentally disabled, physically disabled or has some boni fide reason for not sticking it out and getting a HS diploma or a GED, I could understand making some federal benefits unavailable. If you can't get a job ... go back to school and the benefits will continue. So, you would disqualify anybody who did not have a HS Diploma from having a weapon? Please note my comment, "As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind" however the more I think about it, maybe it should now-a-days, along with certain other rights and benefits normally allowed to responsible, contributing members of society. If someone is 18 years old, dropped out of high school, doesn't have a job or visible means of support .... should they be issued a permit for a handgun? My logic says "No". What does the Constitution say? Some folks like to be in charge and set the rules... Seems the qualifications always ignore their own deficiencies, really seems to be a blue state thing. I don't think bullies should have guns... The Constitution provides for the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that right necessarily extends to everyone. Laws already exist under the framework of the Constitution that nobody argues with because they are common sense interpretations. What state allows selling a hand gun to a 10 year old? What state allows legal selling of a firearm to a convicted felon? I also favor background checks. I also favor prohibiting firearm sales to those with diagnosed physiological disorders or mental illness. A basic education (high school diploma) is supposed to minimally prepare you for the adult world and means of supporting yourself as a contributing member of society. The reasons to drop out now-a-days are more by choice than by necessity and those who drop out are far more likely to become a burden on society rather than a contributing member. My logic says they are more likely to commit crimes to survive, having few other options for making a living. So, again I ask, "Should an 18 year old high school drop out be issued a permit to own a handgun?" I can see valid reasons to answer "No" just like a 10 year old shouldn't own one. You can almost smell the "pride" in having a father who "had the sense" to drop out of school in the third grade. Sad. |
WTF Happened To My 2nd?
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WTF Happened To My 2nd?
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WTF Happened To My 2nd?
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WTF Happened To My 2nd?
On 5/11/2014 9:59 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/11/14, 9:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 5/11/2014 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 5/11/2014 2:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Sorry. I thought you were referring to my "smart" comment. As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind. Being sane and responsible does. However: In past generations there were many reasons people didn't complete high school. In certain farming regions for example or unique situations where the kids were needed to help support the family. During WWII there were many who dropped out of high school to join the military. Most went on and received at least a GED and many went on to college under the GI bill. In today's world there aren't really many justified reasons for not getting at least a high school diploma. Since the 1960's our welfare and aid to people and families has increased over 700 percent. High tech farming has eliminated most of the grunt work requirements with higher yields. The government pays some farmers *not* to grow some crops. The purpose of getting an education ... even if it's only a high school diploma ... is so one can become self sufficient and a contributing member of society ... not a burden on it. Unfortunately our welfare system has created a culture whereby there is little motivation in many cases because Uncle Sam will provide. Unless someone is mentally disabled, physically disabled or has some boni fide reason for not sticking it out and getting a HS diploma or a GED, I could understand making some federal benefits unavailable. If you can't get a job ... go back to school and the benefits will continue. So, you would disqualify anybody who did not have a HS Diploma from having a weapon? Please note my comment, "As far as guns are concerned, formal education doesn't play into the equation in my mind" however the more I think about it, maybe it should now-a-days, along with certain other rights and benefits normally allowed to responsible, contributing members of society. If someone is 18 years old, dropped out of high school, doesn't have a job or visible means of support .... should they be issued a permit for a handgun? My logic says "No". What does the Constitution say? Some folks like to be in charge and set the rules... Seems the qualifications always ignore their own deficiencies, really seems to be a blue state thing. I don't think bullies should have guns... The Constitution provides for the right to bear arms but it doesn't say that right necessarily extends to everyone. Laws already exist under the framework of the Constitution that nobody argues with because they are common sense interpretations. What state allows selling a hand gun to a 10 year old? What state allows legal selling of a firearm to a convicted felon? I also favor background checks. I also favor prohibiting firearm sales to those with diagnosed physiological disorders or mental illness. A basic education (high school diploma) is supposed to minimally prepare you for the adult world and means of supporting yourself as a contributing member of society. The reasons to drop out now-a-days are more by choice than by necessity and those who drop out are far more likely to become a burden on society rather than a contributing member. My logic says they are more likely to commit crimes to survive, having few other options for making a living. So, again I ask, "Should an 18 year old high school drop out be issued a permit to own a handgun?" I can see valid reasons to answer "No" just like a 10 year old shouldn't own one. You can almost smell the "pride" in having a father who "had the sense" to drop out of school in the third grade. Sad. This has nothing to do with Scott or his father. There was a time in this society where legitimate reasons existed to drop out of school and go to work to help support the extended family. My point is that those reasons aren't as valid in today's society. One of the negative consequences of the expansion of welfare programs and federal aid programs since the 1960's has been to lessen the need for an education or even a job in some cases. I tie it to being "responsible" ... another prerequisite for gun ownership in my mind. |
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