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Boating All Out May 6th 14 10:50 AM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE



F*O*A*D May 6th 14 11:13 AM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.

Mr. Luddite May 6th 14 12:34 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.



Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either.
What the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.



Tim May 6th 14 12:39 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:13:57 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their

sponsors, the firearms industry.



I'm a life member so I'll accept that compliment...


?;^ )

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 12:55 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.



Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either. What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.




I don't have any issues with the manufacture and sale of so-called "safe
guns," nor do I have any issues with states that try to tighten up
firearms safety laws.

Maryland now requires purchasers of regulated firearms, such as
handguns, to obtain a Handgun Qualification License. For most buyers,
that will require a little firearms safety training (there are ways to
be exempted), electronic fingerprinting, and a check by the staties of
NICS and several other sources for criminal records. Then, when you buy
a handgun, you have to fill out the federal form and the state form,
have another NICS check, and wait seven working days while the staties
check you out again. No biggie, any of it.

Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

As for the NRA, my comment stands. It is an organization run by
psychotic thugs. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.



F*O*A*D May 6th 14 12:56 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 7:39 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:13:57 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their

sponsors, the firearms industry.



I'm a life member so I'll accept that compliment...


?;^ )


I have no objection to your membership in an organization run by
psychotic thugs. :)

H*a*r*r*o*l*d May 6th 14 01:05 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


I see a new market for signal jammers. Cops will love em. Thugs will
love em. It amounts to disarming the armed citizen.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d May 6th 14 01:12 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 7:56 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:39 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 3:13:57 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their

sponsors, the firearms industry.



I'm a life member so I'll accept that compliment...


?;^ )


I have no objection to your membership in an organization run by
psychotic thugs. :)


Unions?

Mr. Luddite May 6th 14 01:27 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 7:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.



Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either. What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.




I don't have any issues with the manufacture and sale of so-called "safe
guns," nor do I have any issues with states that try to tighten up
firearms safety laws.

Maryland now requires purchasers of regulated firearms, such as
handguns, to obtain a Handgun Qualification License. For most buyers,
that will require a little firearms safety training (there are ways to
be exempted), electronic fingerprinting, and a check by the staties of
NICS and several other sources for criminal records. Then, when you buy
a handgun, you have to fill out the federal form and the state form,
have another NICS check, and wait seven working days while the staties
check you out again. No biggie, any of it.

Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

As for the NRA, my comment stands. It is an organization run by
psychotic thugs. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.




Your Maryland laws now mirror the laws we have had in effect in
Massachusetts for some time with some minor differences. A training
certificate is required for a permit, along with fingerprinting, photo
ID and background check with the state police. It can take several
months to receive a permit. A "concealed carry permit" is not
automatic. It is issued at the discretion of the local police
department based on reason or need. The local police department may
also put restrictions on a "Class A" permit, based on their
determination or policy. The other classes of permits are "shall"
issue (assuming a clean background check) but do not permit concealed
carry.

Once a permit is issued a firearm (handguns or rifles) may be purchased
and taken home immediately because a current criminal check is also made
at the time of purchase. No need for an additional waiting period.

However, I can't legally own a gun purchased out of state unless it is
via an FFL and he can't sell it to me if it is not on the list of
Massachusetts approved firearms. There is a de-facto gun registry here
that tracks a gun's ownership for those who obey the law. Doesn't help
prevent someone stopping in Virgina or other states, buying a firearm
and illegally owning it here though.





F*O*A*D May 6th 14 01:36 PM

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On 5/6/14, 8:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 7:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and
everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.


Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either. What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.




I don't have any issues with the manufacture and sale of so-called "safe
guns," nor do I have any issues with states that try to tighten up
firearms safety laws.

Maryland now requires purchasers of regulated firearms, such as
handguns, to obtain a Handgun Qualification License. For most buyers,
that will require a little firearms safety training (there are ways to
be exempted), electronic fingerprinting, and a check by the staties of
NICS and several other sources for criminal records. Then, when you buy
a handgun, you have to fill out the federal form and the state form,
have another NICS check, and wait seven working days while the staties
check you out again. No biggie, any of it.

Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

As for the NRA, my comment stands. It is an organization run by
psychotic thugs. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.




Your Maryland laws now mirror the laws we have had in effect in
Massachusetts for some time with some minor differences. A training
certificate is required for a permit, along with fingerprinting, photo
ID and background check with the state police. It can take several
months to receive a permit. A "concealed carry permit" is not
automatic. It is issued at the discretion of the local police
department based on reason or need. The local police department may
also put restrictions on a "Class A" permit, based on their
determination or policy. The other classes of permits are "shall"
issue (assuming a clean background check) but do not permit concealed
carry.

Once a permit is issued a firearm (handguns or rifles) may be purchased
and taken home immediately because a current criminal check is also made
at the time of purchase. No need for an additional waiting period.

However, I can't legally own a gun purchased out of state unless it is
via an FFL and he can't sell it to me if it is not on the list of
Massachusetts approved firearms. There is a de-facto gun registry here
that tracks a gun's ownership for those who obey the law. Doesn't help
prevent someone stopping in Virgina or other states, buying a firearm
and illegally owning it here though.





When I applied for my HQL here, I called the state police barracks that
handles such stuff and was told it took between a week and three weeks
to get the HQL approval, depending upon how busy they were. The trooper
I spoked with was accurate.

Getting a carry permit here has nothing to do with getting an HQL.

I bought my new revolver out of state because no one local could get one
or could even tell me when he might get one because they were "on
allocation." So I shopped the various search sights and found an out of
state dealer who had what I wanted, and at a good price. He shipped it
to a local FFL here. The FFL handled the necessary paperwork at this
end, I was "NICS'ed" again, and picked up the revolver about a week later.

All you need to do to get a hunting rifle or shotgun here the same day
is pass the instant NICS check.

I don't find these procedures onerous.



F*O*A*D May 6th 14 01:43 PM

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On 5/6/14, 8:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 8:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 7:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and
everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.


Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either.
What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.




I don't have any issues with the manufacture and sale of so-called "safe
guns," nor do I have any issues with states that try to tighten up
firearms safety laws.

Maryland now requires purchasers of regulated firearms, such as
handguns, to obtain a Handgun Qualification License. For most buyers,
that will require a little firearms safety training (there are ways to
be exempted), electronic fingerprinting, and a check by the staties of
NICS and several other sources for criminal records. Then, when you buy
a handgun, you have to fill out the federal form and the state form,
have another NICS check, and wait seven working days while the staties
check you out again. No biggie, any of it.

Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

As for the NRA, my comment stands. It is an organization run by
psychotic thugs. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.




Your Maryland laws now mirror the laws we have had in effect in
Massachusetts for some time with some minor differences. A training
certificate is required for a permit, along with fingerprinting, photo
ID and background check with the state police. It can take several
months to receive a permit. A "concealed carry permit" is not
automatic. It is issued at the discretion of the local police
department based on reason or need. The local police department may
also put restrictions on a "Class A" permit, based on their
determination or policy. The other classes of permits are "shall"
issue (assuming a clean background check) but do not permit concealed
carry.

Once a permit is issued a firearm (handguns or rifles) may be purchased
and taken home immediately because a current criminal check is also made
at the time of purchase. No need for an additional waiting period.

However, I can't legally own a gun purchased out of state unless it is
via an FFL and he can't sell it to me if it is not on the list of
Massachusetts approved firearms. There is a de-facto gun registry here
that tracks a gun's ownership for those who obey the law. Doesn't help
prevent someone stopping in Virgina or other states, buying a firearm
and illegally owning it here though.





When I applied for my HQL here, I called the state police barracks that
handles such stuff and was told it took between a week and three weeks
to get the HQL approval, depending upon how busy they were. The trooper
I spoked with was accurate.

Getting a carry permit here has nothing to do with getting an HQL.

I bought my new revolver out of state because no one local could get one
or could even tell me when he might get one because they were "on
allocation." So I shopped the various search sights and found an out of
state dealer who had what I wanted, and at a good price. He shipped it
to a local FFL here. The FFL handled the necessary paperwork at this
end, I was "NICS'ed" again, and picked up the revolver about a week later.

All you need to do to get a hunting rifle or shotgun here the same day
is pass the instant NICS check.

I don't find these procedures onerous.




Spoked with? Gack! :)

KC May 6th 14 03:03 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.



Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either. What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.



The "kooks" who watch videos like the ones posted by our local lying
troll, then post them as representative are the ones to worry about...

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 03:50 PM

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On 5/6/14, 10:03 AM, KC wrote:



The "kooks" who watch videos like the ones posted by our local lying
troll, then post them as representative are the ones to worry about...


I wasn't aware anyone watched the kiddie motorbike racing videos you
posted here.


F*O*A*D May 6th 14 05:59 PM

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On 5/6/14, 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 04:50:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:


I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


NRA doesn't hate the smart gun. They hate the idea that the government
might force us all to buy them.

It is really a fairly flawed concept to start with but if enough
people wanted one, the manufacturers would make them. The police were
interested ... until they actually started testing the technology.



That's like saying the NRA supports current legislation that attempts to
keep guns from criminals. It says that but when funds are needed to
enforce, the NRA and its thugs fight that tooth and nail.

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 06:00 PM

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On 5/6/14, 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.


This reminds me of the 1974 seat belt interlock. It wasn't the
manufacturer that made it disappear, it was the public.



As stated, the NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs.

Wayne.B May 6th 14 06:23 PM

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On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.


===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 07:13 PM

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On 5/6/14, 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 07:55:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:




Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.


Save your gas money.
There are guys in Calvert County that will sell you a gun in a private
sale.

Start here
http://www.mdshooters.com/vbclassifi...y&categoryid=5

That is just one of several sites I found in a quick look


I would hope the smarter boys there handle their private sale
transactions through an FFL.

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 07:17 PM

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On 5/6/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 13:00:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.

This reminds me of the 1974 seat belt interlock. It wasn't the
manufacturer that made it disappear, it was the public.



As stated, the NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs.



Only in the same respect that the AFGE and AFT are run by psychotic
thugs.


I haven't noticed that the leadership of either of those organizations
acting crazy like LaPierre and his second in command.


Boating All Out May 6th 14 07:41 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.


===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!


F*O*A*D May 6th 14 07:50 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.


===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!



I wouldn't take an NRA membership as a gift.

Tim May 6th 14 08:15 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
Well Harry I wouldn't sweat it. I really doubt they'd want you as a member anyhow

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 08:16 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 3:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Well Harry I wouldn't sweat it. I really doubt they'd want you as a member anyhow



The NRA would take Josef Stalin as a member as long as he coughed up his
dues. An organization run by W'hine LaPierre will accept anyone.

Califbill May 6th 14 08:48 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 14:17:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 13:00:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.

This reminds me of the 1974 seat belt interlock. It wasn't the
manufacturer that made it disappear, it was the public.



As stated, the NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs.


Only in the same respect that the AFGE and AFT are run by psychotic
thugs.


I haven't noticed that the leadership of either of those organizations
acting crazy like LaPierre and his second in command.


Tunnel vision, no doubt.


Selective blindness.

Califbill May 6th 14 08:48 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 5/6/2014 7:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 6:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.


Personally, I wouldn't have any objection to owning a "safe" gun. I
think it's actually a pretty good idea. I think I'd still want to have
a traditional handgun as well however, mainly for home defense
situations where fast and easy access to a functioning firearm could
save a life. My guns are kept in safes that require a code to open and
that's where they are stored most of the time. But at night I have one
hidden but within arm's reach from my bed. That's what it's for.

Based on what I've read the NRA is not opposed to safe guns either. What
the NRA is opposed to is *mandating* the implementation of such
technology across the board and making it required on *all* guns.

The kooks that are threatening gun dealers if they offer firearms
equipped with "safe" technology are simply that .... uneducated, low IQ
kooks that do not represent the NRA's position or the position of most
responsible gun owners.




I don't have any issues with the manufacture and sale of so-called "safe
guns," nor do I have any issues with states that try to tighten up
firearms safety laws.

Maryland now requires purchasers of regulated firearms, such as
handguns, to obtain a Handgun Qualification License. For most buyers,
that will require a little firearms safety training (there are ways to
be exempted), electronic fingerprinting, and a check by the staties of
NICS and several other sources for criminal records. Then, when you buy
a handgun, you have to fill out the federal form and the state form,
have another NICS check, and wait seven working days while the staties
check you out again. No biggie, any of it.

Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

As for the NRA, my comment stands. It is an organization run by
psychotic thugs. Wayne LaPierre is crazy.




Your Maryland laws now mirror the laws we have had in effect in
Massachusetts for some time with some minor differences. A training
certificate is required for a permit, along with fingerprinting, photo ID
and background check with the state police. It can take several months
to receive a permit. A "concealed carry permit" is not automatic. It is
issued at the discretion of the local police department based on reason
or need. The local police department may also put restrictions on a
"Class A" permit, based on their determination or policy. The other
classes of permits are "shall" issue (assuming a clean background check)
but do not permit concealed carry.

Once a permit is issued a firearm (handguns or rifles) may be purchased
and taken home immediately because a current criminal check is also made
at the time of purchase. No need for an additional waiting period.

However, I can't legally own a gun purchased out of state unless it is
via an FFL and he can't sell it to me if it is not on the list of
Massachusetts approved firearms. There is a de-facto gun registry here
that tracks a gun's ownership for those who obey the law. Doesn't help
prevent someone stopping in Virgina or other states, buying a firearm and
illegally owning it here though.


And part of the problem is the "approved" weapon. You can buy a nickel
plated 686 here in California. Same exact weapon also comes in a grey now.
Only difference is the color. Can not purchase, as it has not passed the
California drop test. Use anything to keep a weapon not being approved.

Tim May 6th 14 08:54 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
"Trouser snakes". LOL!

H*a*r*r*o*l*d May 6th 14 09:09 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 14:13:47 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 1:01 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 07:55:24 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:




Of course you can circumvent that by driving over to a Virginia gun show
and buying whatever you want out without even bothering with the instant
NICS check.

Save your gas money.
There are guys in Calvert County that will sell you a gun in a private
sale.

Start here
http://www.mdshooters.com/vbclassifi...y&categoryid=5

That is just one of several sites I found in a quick look


I would hope the smarter boys there handle their private sale
transactions through an FFL.


So would the smarter boys in Virginia. What's your point?
It is still legal not to do so in Maryland for rifles and shotguns.
Dealers need to record all transactions, even private ones, no matter
what state they live in or do business in so that is not a factor at
all.
I doubt the gang bangers in Baltimore or the DC suburbs care about any
of this and they are the ones doing most of the killing.


Do yoy think the DC city streets are safe enough for Harry's woman to be
doing daily walk abouts?

Poquito Loco May 6th 14 09:19 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On Tue, 6 May 2014 04:50:26 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:


I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


Why hasn't law enforcement bought millions of these guns?

Mr. Luddite May 6th 14 09:43 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.


===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!



Back when the NRA was, in your opinion, a "respectable organization" was
the membership roster made public to anyone who wanted it?



H*a*r*r*o*l*d May 6th 14 10:04 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 4:19 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 04:50:26 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:


I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


Why hasn't law enforcement bought millions of these guns?

Why would they want to have guns that can be disabled with a simple RF
noise generator, or sun spots, or an iphone app or any number of things.


F*O*A*D May 6th 14 10:12 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 4:43 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.

===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!



Back when the NRA was, in your opinion, a "respectable organization" was
the membership roster made public to anyone who wanted it?




The NRA's list is brokered. Or was.

KC May 6th 14 10:17 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.


===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.


I paid more than that a week to belong to a proven organization of
thugs, the teamsters union.

Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.


You are just a selfish old fool...

Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!


Yeah, and the DNC is not an organization in the business of stifling
free ... um, wait...




KC May 6th 14 10:23 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 13:41:48 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.

===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!


The NRA threatened to kill him and his family? cite that.


You forget who you are talking to, don't hold your breath...

KC May 6th 14 10:25 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 4:43 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.

===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.


You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!



Back when the NRA was, in your opinion, a "respectable organization" was
the membership roster made public to anyone who wanted it?



Too much time being spent on this straw man. How about the Rutgers
University ****bags crying like little creeps and causing Condi Rice to
cancel her speech. They didn't care about Al Gore and they paid Snookie
30 grand to speak.. guess you can write off Rutgers grads as generally
stupid little ****s...

KC May 6th 14 10:27 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 3:35 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 14:17:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 1:09 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 13:00:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.

This reminds me of the 1974 seat belt interlock. It wasn't the
manufacturer that made it disappear, it was the public.



As stated, the NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs.


Only in the same respect that the AFGE and AFT are run by psychotic
thugs.


So are Glaad, DNC, Dept of inJustice, and the Whitehouse, Irs...


I haven't noticed that the leadership of either of those organizations
acting crazy like LaPierre and his second in command.


Tunnel vision, no doubt.



F*O*A*D May 6th 14 10:36 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 5:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 5/6/2014 4:43 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/6/2014 2:41 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 06 May 2014 12:59:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The NRA is a lobbying arm of the gun industry, nothing more.

===

That is a naive and a disingenuous half truth at best, as you well
know.

In fact, the NRA represents all law abiding gun owners, even you. They
have over 3 million individual members at $25/year, and they need
little, if any, financial help from the industry.

You are naive. Especially if you'd pay $25 a year to belong to an
organization of thugs.
Their membership is only known to them. A closely held secret.
Thank God I didn't buy a lifetime membership many years ago, when it was
a respectable organization.
Almost did.
It would be akin to joining the communist party before you knew they
were a party of thugs. Stigmatized forever.
Now the NRA is in the business of stifling free enterprise through
intimidation, as was done to that poor arms dealer.
He seems like a stand-up guy.
Death threats to him and his family! Shame!



Back when the NRA was, in your opinion, a "respectable organization" was
the membership roster made public to anyone who wanted it?



Too much time being spent on this straw man. How about the Rutgers
University ****bags crying like little creeps and causing Condi Rice to
cancel her speech. They didn't care about Al Gore and they paid Snookie
30 grand to speak.. guess you can write off Rutgers grads as generally
stupid little ****s...


Snotty PsychoScotty has returned from his day job of blowing up motorbikes!

F*O*A*D May 6th 14 10:37 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/14, 5:22 PM, KC wrote:

It's not even funny to listen to anybody talk about the NRA when they
are solidly in the scum pool, rapists, thieves, sellouts, and general
cowards like labor unions... The ****ing Teamsters sold us all out for
one reason, profit... just like *every other union* out there...



And thus, Scotty lost the one job he had, as an unskilled stacker of
pallets in a food warehouse.

KC May 6th 14 10:38 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On 5/6/2014 4:19 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2014 04:50:26 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:


I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


Why hasn't law enforcement bought millions of these guns?


Because they don't believe in them, says something right there.

Boating All Out May 6th 14 10:39 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
In article ,
says...

Back when the NRA was, in your opinion, a "respectable organization" was
the membership roster made public to anyone who wanted it?


My point was that the NRA membership number they flaunt can't be
confirmed.
And with their thuggish behavior, they're not to be trusted.
Believe as you will.

Poquito Loco May 6th 14 10:46 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On Tue, 06 May 2014 15:35:56 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 May 2014 14:17:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 1:09 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 13:00:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 12:49 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 06:13:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/6/14, 5:50 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

I want a smart gun for use at the range.
And for my collection.
It'll make a good keepsake to pass on to my kids.

NRA thugs won't allow it. ****ing commies.
Cocksucking anti-capitalistic gun-grabbers.
Excuse my French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exNbPTETBNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGothzuJkE


The NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs to benefit their
sponsors, the firearms industry. They're against anything and everything
that they perceive might harm their sponsors' corporate profits,
including safer firearms.

This reminds me of the 1974 seat belt interlock. It wasn't the
manufacturer that made it disappear, it was the public.



As stated, the NRA is an organization run by psychotic thugs.


Only in the same respect that the AFGE and AFT are run by psychotic
thugs.


I haven't noticed that the leadership of either of those organizations
acting crazy like LaPierre and his second in command.


Tunnel vision, no doubt.


Very thoughtful and well said response. Seriously.

Tim May 6th 14 11:02 PM

WTF Happened To My 2nd?
 
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 4:56:02 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/6/14, 7:39 AM, Tim wrote:


I'm a life member so I'll accept that compliment...






?;^ )






I have no objection to your membership in an organization run by

psychotic thugs. :)


That's a good one Harry. I'll take your 'snerk' as a compliment as well...

?;^)


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