On 4/19/14, 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:08:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of what
it used to be.

Are you seriously going to say that there is anything like the kind of
labor problems now as they had at the turn of the last century?


There are still many serious labor/management problems, and during the
Reagan mis-administration, they started getting worse again.

On 4/19/2014 7:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:08:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union
meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a
talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to
get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on
management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save
their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the
workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to
build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized
companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of what
it used to be.

Are you seriously going to say that there is anything like the kind of
labor problems now as they had at the turn of the last century?


There are still many serious labor/management problems, and during the
Reagan mis-administration, they started getting worse again.


Is that why general union membership has gone from about 20 percent of
all employed in 1983 to 11.5 percent now?

Unions seem to be losing their flavor for many.

On 4/19/14, 7:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/19/2014 7:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:08:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union
meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a
talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to
get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on
management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save
their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the
workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to
build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized
companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of
unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of
what
it used to be.

Are you seriously going to say that there is anything like the kind of
labor problems now as they had at the turn of the last century?


There are still many serious labor/management problems, and during the
Reagan mis-administration, they started getting worse again.


Is that why general union membership has gone from about 20 percent of
all employed in 1983 to 11.5 percent now?


No, it isn't.

On 4/19/2014 7:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/19/2014 7:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:08:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union
meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a
talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to
get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on
management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save
their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the
workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to
build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized
companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of
unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of
what
it used to be.

Are you seriously going to say that there is anything like the kind of
labor problems now as they had at the turn of the last century?


There are still many serious labor/management problems, and during the
Reagan mis-administration, they started getting worse again.


Is that why general union membership has gone from about 20 percent of
all employed in 1983 to 11.5 percent now?

Unions seem to be losing their flavor for many.


While membership is down, management still prospers. Isn't that one of
Harry's pet peeves; rewarding management for poor performance. ;-)

On 4/19/2014 7:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 1:07 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:08:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 11:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:36:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union
meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a
talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to
get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on
management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save
their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the
workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to
build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized
companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

You never heard of OSHA, NLRB, the various labor laws and last but not
least a very litigious society with lawyers trolling for clients every
day. Carnegie is not sending the Pinkertons in to shoot strikers, you
don't have kids working in unsafe conditions and putting in 72 hours a
week for base pay.



I think I know a bit more about the real world of labor law and what is
enforced and what isn't, generally, than you do. Most of the teeth in
many labor laws have been excised, and the NLRB is only a shadow of what
it used to be.

Are you seriously going to say that there is anything like the kind of
labor problems now as they had at the turn of the last century?


There are still many serious labor/management problems, and during the
Reagan mis-administration, they started getting worse again.

It's always nice to see a union thugs's take on the situation, but to
get a better perspective on what really goes on behind union doors, go
to www.unionfacts.org Be sure to drop in on the bricklayers and visit
with Harry's beloved sugar momma.