On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:31:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:42:41 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


High wages? Salaries for railroad workers aren't that high. The median
is $42k, locomotive engineers are in the $50 to $60k range, conductors
in the $40k range.


Your numbers are low by about 35%

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/ra...RCH_KO0,18.htm

Conductor $45k-87k $65k median

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/en...0,8_KE9,17.htm

Engineer $50k-100k $70k median

Plus a very generous benefit package and an overtime package far above
what the law requires.
That may not sound like a lot of money in New York or California but
if you are out in flyover country that is a pretty good job.
One of my friends retired as a conductor on the Amtrack line from New
York up through Connecticut. Another friend was the conductor on the
Seminole Southern train here. My daughter actually got to run the
train once. It is pretty mind numbing work.

You didn't actually expect the truth, did you? You noticed he didn't post a site?

On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that

really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.



Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"

employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail

with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..





I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of

corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,

working of crews too many hours.



You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner

of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,

you're all for it.





Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing

many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who

complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job

satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because

there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.

Always something to bitch about.



My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great

guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it

ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former

employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out

of his system.

The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

On 4/18/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:31:01 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:





Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that

really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.



Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"

employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail

with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..





I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of

corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,

working of crews too many hours.



You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner

of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,

you're all for it.





Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing

many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who

complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job

satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because

there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.

Always something to bitch about.



My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great

guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it

ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former

employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out

of his system.

The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Krause was one of those union suits, and he's mighty proud of himself
for being so.

On 4/18/14, 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:34:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

That was the excuse they tried with the train that drove up the
escalator last week. Then someone actually looked at the engineer's
schedule and she had worked ZERO overtime.


Your anecdotes do not disprove my posit.

On 4/18/14, 5:31 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"
employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail
with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..


I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.


Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing
many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who
complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job
satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because
there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.
Always something to bitch about.

My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great
guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it
ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former
employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out
of his system.








Right, because we all know that the boss is king and that the
worker-serfs are lucky to have a job and should just take whatever it
dished out, and take it with a big smile.

On 4/18/14, 6:50 PM, wrote:


Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit.

Yup, the sponsors of today's GOP, especially in a backwards state like
yours.

On 4/18/14, 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


The union operatives implant it into them. I sat in on a union meeting years ago (IBEW) where a union suit came in to give a talk. He literally told the workers that management was out to get them any way they can, so they'd better build a file on management "misconduct" so they could use that info to try save their jobs when management "came after them". Turning the workers against the company that feeds them. That's some way to build a successful company, eh? Any wonder nearly all unionized companies are poor performers, and fail?

Fear mongering. Intimidation. Lies. Deceit. The tools of unions.

Unions had a function 100 years ago but they are anachronisms today.
Most of the "protections" they pioneered are now federal law

That's just absolute, complete bull****.

On 4/18/2014 8:18 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 5:31 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"
employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail
with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..


I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.


Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing
many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who
complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job
satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because
there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.
Always something to bitch about.

My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great
guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it
ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former
employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out
of his system.








Right, because we all know that the boss is king and that the
worker-serfs are lucky to have a job and should just take whatever it
dished out, and take it with a big smile.


Assume my observations are valid and more widespread. Why are those
least satisfied with their jobs "protected" by unions?

What working experience do you have ... meaning employment ... where
*you* were were subject to the king boss and had to take whatever the
job dished out? Ever? I suspect zero.

On 4/18/14, 8:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:17:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/18/14, 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:34:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

That was the excuse they tried with the train that drove up the
escalator last week. Then someone actually looked at the engineer's
schedule and she had worked ZERO overtime.


Your anecdotes do not disprove my posit.

This is a fact, compared to your conjecture.


What, an incident?

On 4/18/14, 8:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 8:18 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 5:31 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/18/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 3:59 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:22:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Funny stuff. Railroads pay living wages to their employees, and that
really, truly ****es off right-wing assholes.

Actually what ****es us off is paying premium wages to "fire proof"
employees who fall asleep in the cab and crash their trains, derail
with hazardous cargo and put us all in danger..


I'd bet far more rail accidents and fatalities are the result of
corporate decisions, such as deferred maintenance, shorting of crews,
working of crews too many hours.

You righties are funny guys, in that you will readily dismiss all
manner
of corporate misbehavior, but if you can pin a rap on a working stiff,
you're all for it.


Small sampling and just my observation from working with and knowing
many fellow "working stiffs", it seems to me that the ones who
complain most about their working conditions, pay and overall job
satisfaction have been those who belonged to unions. Maybe it's because
there is always that "management versus worker" mentality going on.
Always something to bitch about.

My son's father-in-law was union all his working career. He's a great
guy but we groan when the subject of work comes with him because it
ignites a half hour round of complaining and bitching about his former
employer. He's been retired for over 2 years and still can't get it out
of his system.








Right, because we all know that the boss is king and that the
worker-serfs are lucky to have a job and should just take whatever it
dished out, and take it with a big smile.


Assume my observations are valid and more widespread. Why are those
least satisfied with their jobs "protected" by unions?

What working experience do you have ... meaning employment ... where
*you* were were subject to the king boss and had to take whatever the
job dished out? Ever? I suspect zero.



Your suspicions would add up to...zero.