Harry, it seems you idolize thugs and approve of their methods. What a sad way to live

On 4/19/2014 10:46 AM, Tim wrote:
So you admire the extortioners, murders, lawless butchers and arsonists. Yeah, the pillars of labor.

Harry appears to advocate violent behavior, yet he was scared to enlist
or allow himself to be drafted. What do you make of that?

On 4/19/2014 10:48 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 10:46 AM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:38:01 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 10:10 AM, Tim wrote:

On Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/19/14, 9:58 AM, Tim wrote:



On Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:47:31 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 4/19/14, 9:40 AM, wrote:







On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 08:14:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"








wrote:















the majority of remaining union jobs are also







federal jobs.















Why is that?































The Davis Bacon Act















There are also the state/local government employees who are sucking







the fiscal life out of our cities.







They get to "negotiate" from both sides of the bargaining table so







their deals are budget busters.







































And once again, you display your lack of knowledge.















Jobs covered under Davis Bacon are, for the most part, *not* federal







jobs. They are construction worker jobs for workers employed by
private







contactors.















It's astonishing to me that so many of your righties here are so
damned







opposed to hard-working men and women earning incomes that just
reach







the bottom of the rung of the middle class. Yes, of course there are







exceptions, but the majority of these workers aren't big earners.















And, of course, you never bitch about the huge salaries the
corporate







suits make. *That's* okay, because pushing paper or keyboard keys is







white man's work, eh?







Does Dave Bacon threaten to blow peoples brains out if thy dont'
sign contracts in two minutes?















No. Do you think that would be a good idea? Do you think there
should be



criminal penalties for corporate executives whose poor management
skills



result in serious injuries or death to workers, or horrific
explosions,



or nasty pollution that makes people sick?



No, but you said you admire people like that...





I certainly did admire the the good old days of labor union

organizers/negotiators, where the guys did whatever was necessary to get

workers a decent contract. Compared to today's corporate felons, the

good old boys were creampuffs.

So you admire the extortioners, murders, lawless butchers and
arsonists. Yeah, the pillars of labor.


Those would be the pillars of bankstering, stock brokerage, and
corporate greed these days, Tim.

These days arent them days, when you were rubbing elbows with the scum
of the earth.

On 4/19/14, 11:09 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry, it seems you idolize thugs and approve of their methods. What a sad way to live


If I were as you described, I'd be a big fan of corporations and
banksters, as they've been the major players in "thuggery" for the past
three decades.

You want thuggery?

"On March 19, 1997, investigators from the FBI, the Internal Revenue
Service and the Department of Health and Human Services served search
warrants at Columbia/HCA facilities in El Paso and on dozens of doctors
with suspected ties to the company. 8 Days after the initial raid,
Scott* signed his last SEC report as a hospital executive. Four months
later the board of directors pressured Scott to resign as Chairman and
CEO. He was paid $9.88 million in a settlement. He also left owning 10
million shares of stock worth over $350 million. The directors had been
warned in the company's annual public reports to stockholders that
incentives Columbia/HCA offered doctors could run afoul of a federal
antikickback law that seeks to limit conflicts of interest in Medicare
and Medicaid.

In settlements reached in 2000 and 2002, Columbia/HCA pled guilty to 14
felonies and agreed to a $600+ million fine in the largest fraud
settlement in U.S. history. Columbia/HCA admitted systematically
overcharging the government by claiming marketing costs as reimbursable,
by striking illegal deals with home care agencies, and by filing false
data about use of hospital space. They also admitted fraudulently
billing Medicare and other health programs by inflating the seriousness
of diagnoses and to giving doctors partnerships in company hospitals as
a kickback for the doctors referring patients to HCA. They filed false
cost reports, fraudulently billing Medicare for home health care
workers, and paid kickbacks in the sale of home health agencies and to
doctors to refer patients. In addition, they gave doctors "loans" never
intending to be repaid, free rent, free office furniture, and free drugs
from hospital pharmacies.

In late 2002, HCA agreed to pay the U.S. government $631 million, plus
interest, and pay $17.5 million to state Medicaid agencies, in addition
to $250 million paid up to that point to resolve outstanding Medicare
expense claims. In all, civil lawsuits cost HCA more than $2 billion to
settle, at the time, the largest fraud settlement in U.S. history.


* Scott is Rick Scott, the felon who is the current Republican governor
of Florida. The fraud mentioned got rolling during Scott's tenure as CEO
of HCA.

On 4/19/2014 9:47 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 9:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 08:14:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

the majority of remaining union jobs are also
federal jobs.

Why is that?



The Davis Bacon Act

There are also the state/local government employees who are sucking
the fiscal life out of our cities.
They get to "negotiate" from both sides of the bargaining table so
their deals are budget busters.




And once again, you display your lack of knowledge.

Jobs covered under Davis Bacon are, for the most part, *not* federal
jobs. They are construction worker jobs for workers employed by private
contactors.

It's astonishing to me that so many of your righties here are so damned
opposed to hard-working men and women earning incomes that just reach
the bottom of the rung of the middle class. Yes, of course there are
exceptions, but the majority of these workers aren't big earners.

And, of course, you never bitch about the huge salaries the corporate
suits make. *That's* okay, because pushing paper or keyboard keys is
white man's work, eh?


Yawn. That's why almost 90 percent of workers prefer to be non-union.
Your arguments are so ... 40's and 50's. Old news, old rhetoric, old
period.

On 4/19/2014 11:41 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 11:09 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry, it seems you idolize thugs and approve of their methods. What a
sad way to live


If I were as you described, I'd be a big fan of corporations and
banksters, as they've been the major players in "thuggery" for the past
three decades.

You want thuggery?

"On March 19, 1997, investigators from the FBI, the Internal Revenue
Service and the Department of Health and Human Services served search
warrants at Columbia/HCA facilities in El Paso and on dozens of doctors
with suspected ties to the company. 8 Days after the initial raid,
Scott* signed his last SEC report as a hospital executive. Four months
later the board of directors pressured Scott to resign as Chairman and
CEO. He was paid $9.88 million in a settlement. He also left owning 10
million shares of stock worth over $350 million. The directors had been
warned in the company's annual public reports to stockholders that
incentives Columbia/HCA offered doctors could run afoul of a federal
antikickback law that seeks to limit conflicts of interest in Medicare
and Medicaid.

In settlements reached in 2000 and 2002, Columbia/HCA pled guilty to 14
felonies and agreed to a $600+ million fine in the largest fraud
settlement in U.S. history. Columbia/HCA admitted systematically
overcharging the government by claiming marketing costs as reimbursable,
by striking illegal deals with home care agencies, and by filing false
data about use of hospital space. They also admitted fraudulently
billing Medicare and other health programs by inflating the seriousness
of diagnoses and to giving doctors partnerships in company hospitals as
a kickback for the doctors referring patients to HCA. They filed false
cost reports, fraudulently billing Medicare for home health care
workers, and paid kickbacks in the sale of home health agencies and to
doctors to refer patients. In addition, they gave doctors "loans" never
intending to be repaid, free rent, free office furniture, and free drugs
from hospital pharmacies.

In late 2002, HCA agreed to pay the U.S. government $631 million, plus
interest, and pay $17.5 million to state Medicaid agencies, in addition
to $250 million paid up to that point to resolve outstanding Medicare
expense claims. In all, civil lawsuits cost HCA more than $2 billion to
settle, at the time, the largest fraud settlement in U.S. history.


* Scott is Rick Scott, the felon who is the current Republican governor
of Florida. The fraud mentioned got rolling during Scott's tenure as CEO
of HCA.

Look up the definition of thuggery. Yur book learnin has failed you
miserably.

But, but Scott didn't bust any knee caps like your Heros would

On 4/19/14, 1:37 PM, Tim wrote:
But, but Scott didn't bust any knee caps like your Heros would


How do you know that?

Because if he did you'd probably praise him too.

On 4/19/14, 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:54:19 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

I knew a few of the "old time" labor tough guys. They were far higher up
the ladder of decency than many of today's corporate gangsters. Even the
old style mobsters were far less crooked than, say, Merrill Lynch or
Goldman Sachs or Citibank, eh?

I am betting you did not really know much about the terrorists who
"organized" companies in the old days.
Arson, intimidation and the general destruction of corporate property
was not unusual.
Don't forget, I grew up with those old guys in the Teamsters.


Petty crimes compared to the horror perpetrated these days by
mulltinational corporations.