On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:57:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote:

I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO...

Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think!

?;^ )



Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to?

"Saturday, March 18, 2000"

Must have a very slow computer.



And I think the boat being reviewed was a 1994 Carver!

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Carver370.htm

"The boat that put Carver over the threshold for us is this 1994 model 370 that experienced massive
bottom laminate failure."

Must still be using string land lines.

On 3/28/2014 10:20 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:57:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote:

I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO...

Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think!

?;^ )



Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to?

"Saturday, March 18, 2000"

Must have a very slow computer.



And I think the boat being reviewed was a 1994 Carver!

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Carver370.htm

"The boat that put Carver over the threshold for us is this 1994 model 370 that experienced massive
bottom laminate failure."

Must still be using string land lines.



Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat a local dealer
was really pushing a new Carver on me and making me offers "I couldn't
refuse" (according to him). It was nicely done inside but was one of
those high backed cockpit type that you have to climb up a ladder to
board. I passed, despite his best efforts. That's when I ended up
buying the Navigator. Much better built boat, huge stringers compared
to the Carver. You could tell just by looking at the construction the
Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the
designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure.

When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that
they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was
1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it
hanging in the salon.

3/28/14Mr. Luddite
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Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the
Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the
designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure.

When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that
they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was
1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it
hanging in the salon.

.........,,

The hull was only 1-1/4� thick? I figured it’d be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3�

On 6/3/2018 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:

3/28/14Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the
Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the
designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure.

When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that
they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was
1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it
hanging in the salon.

........,,

The hull was only 1-1/4� thick? I figured it’d be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3�



Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient.

But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 08:54:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/3/2018 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:

3/28/14Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the
Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the
designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure.

When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that
they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was
1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it
hanging in the salon.

........,,

The hull was only 1-1/4” thick? I figured it’d be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3”



Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient.

But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull.


Could be Tim's thinking of a Boston Whaler style hull with a foam core inside much thinner
fiberglass.

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient.

But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull.

.........

Maybe. But not for a boat if your sized diesel powered Navigator.

I’d think...

On 6/3/2018 7:49 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
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Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient.

But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull.

........

Maybe. But not for a boat if your sized diesel powered Navigator.

I’d think...



I think you would be surprised. I can't remember the details now but I
recall investigating that when I saw the thickness of the hull when
they cut the holes for the thruster. Most fiberglass hulls on a boat of
that approximate size is less than an inch thick. Fiberglass is strong
stuff. We are talking solid glass, below the waterline and not upper
sections that are cored.

The guy that built Navigators (Jules Marshall) believed in "when in
doubt, make it stout". He was known for building strong boats at the
expense of some of super fancy interiors. I remember the stringers in
the engine room were about 15 inches high and 2-2.5 inches thick. I've
been in many boats of that approximate size and never saw anything like
those in that boat.

I just bought a used Carver 38-foot Santiago 1994 how are they rated I only intend to do Coastal boating with her and use it mainly as a live-aboard is this a good investment

I am new to boating and would like to know if there's a general checklist I like a PreFlight list for airplanes that I can get to check out the Carver from start to finish this would be my first Powerball and I would like to take care of it in a way that make sure that I don't harm other boaters or my family thank you