On Monday, March 24, 2014 4:04:51 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Good point. I've had long term leased slips at four different marinas

over the years. They didn't care if you were Thomas A. Edison or George

Westinghouse. If you wanted to change or upgrade the power service at

the pedestal to your boat you hired an electrician or they hired one for

you.

I can agree on Edison and Westinghouse, but what if you were Nick Tesla?

?;^)

On 3/24/2014 9:36 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, March 24, 2014 4:04:51 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Good point. I've had long term leased slips at four different marinas

over the years. They didn't care if you were Thomas A. Edison or George

Westinghouse. If you wanted to change or upgrade the power service at

the pedestal to your boat you hired an electrician or they hired one for

you.

I can agree on Edison and Westinghouse, but what if you were Nick Tesla?

?;^)



If you were Nick Tesla you'd have no need for wires and cables.

On Monday, March 24, 2014 8:21:24 PM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:


If you were Nick Tesla you'd have no need for wires and cables.

Yu're right. I hadn't thought of it that way.

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:48:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/24/2014 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:47:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/24/2014 5:40 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:53:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I understand and I didn't say it was accurate. However, as the other
poster pointed out there is sometimes some confusion as to what a home
service is called since you *do* have two hot legs 180 degrees out of
phase. The "split phase" isn't a reference to how a motor is wound in
this case. It's a reference to the center tapped, 240v service
producing two hot legs 180 degrees out of phase referenced to neutral.

The terminology used to describe it has been a subject of debate for years.




That is why code officials are trying to straighten it out every
chance they get ;-)


I am not an electrician. I've found over the years that terminology
used in the NFPA codes sometimes differ somewhat from what we use in
engineering even though we are talking the same thing. I also sometimes
found that some industrial applications are not defined or even covered
in the code book. If an issue arose that was questionable I had a EE PE
check it over and stamp the final power and control system drawings.

Last winter I got involved in a project building a performance venue
stage and it's wiring. The building had a dedicated 3 phase power
distribution panel that had previously been used for when the building
had been a large machine shop. I used it to distribute several 120vac,
20 amp feeds to the stage, overhead stage lights, PA system, house
lights, etc., but because I am not up to speed on current code
requirements for things like ground fault protection devices and another
new one that I can't remember the name of, I asked a friend who has been
a licensed master electrician for 26 years to review what my plans were
to make sure I didn't violate any codes and to ensure it was safe to use.


There is not much in the way of requirements for GFCIs in commercial
venues other than outdoors, commercial kitchens, bathrooms and
vending machines.
The other thing I assume you mean is AFCI and that is pretty much a
just residential thing.

As far as residential house power is concerned, to me it is single phase
(at whatever high voltage is used locally) up to the primary of the
transformer. The secondary has two "hot" legs from the center tapped
transformer that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other referenced
to neutral or ground. In my world that is two phases, "zero" and "180"
relative to neutral or ground. :-)

The primary going down your street is usually called "medium voltage"
(600v.. High voltage is when you start getting over 35-38kv. That is
generally NESC (National Electrical Safety Code) territory tho, not
NEC. That is the set of rules that PoCos follow.


The high side (medium voltage) going down the poles in our area is
13,500 volts ... maybe higher. The service to our house is via high
voltage underground cable for about 700 feet to the step down
transformer that is on a pad closer to the house. From there it feeds
the power panels in the house and another panel in the horse barn again
via underground conduit and wiring.

The medium voltage cable is similar to a coaxial audio cable except much
bigger. Center conductor/insulation/ground shield.

Shortly after we bought the house a short developed in the underground
line. It sounded and felt like a bomb went off somewhere. The power
company sent a guy down and he attempted to replace the fuse up on the
pole using the bucket lift on the truck. (it's only a 15 amp fuse). My
son and I were watching him from a distance and as soon as he pushed the
new fuse in with a fiberglass pole they use there was another explosion
and a huge flash. I called up to the guy in the bucket to see if he was
ok and he just laughed. Said he was "used" to it. Scared the crap out
of me.

They used a "thumper" which is similar to a time domain reflectometer to
determine where the underground cable was shorted. Fortunately, they
were able to pull a new cable through the underground conduit by hooking
it onto the old cable and then pulling it through using the utility
company truck. Otherwise, they were going to have to dig everything up.

One night last summer what sounded like a 105mm round went off in our front yard. I thought it was a
transformer on a pole. The lights went out. I called the electric company and went back to bed.

The next morning I awaken to the sound of lots of equipment outside. It turns out the transformer
did blow, but it was in my front yard, not on the pole. I'll have to admit they did a good job of
repairing my yard.

On 3/25/14, 8:11 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:


One night last summer what sounded like a 105mm round went off in our front yard. I thought it was a
transformer on a pole. The lights went out. I called the electric company and went back to bed.

The next morning I awaken to the sound of lots of equipment outside. It turns out the transformer
did blow, but it was in my front yard, not on the pole. I'll have to admit they did a good job of
repairing my yard.



Trolling again? What does a power transformer in front of your house
have to do with rec.bats?
--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

On 3/25/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:39:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Trolling again? What does a power transformer in front of your house
have to do with rec.bats?
--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

More than "Rand Paul & Ted Cruz"


Really? Like most "modern" Republican federal office holders, Rand Paul
and Ted Cruz are *not* friends of the environment or efforts to protect
it. You might think that those sorts of positions would make them
anathema to pleasure boaters and sport fishermen.

What's a blown power transformer in front of a suburban house have to do
with rec.boats, especially one maintained by the local power company?

--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

On 3/25/14, 1:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:10:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/25/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:39:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Trolling again? What does a power transformer in front of your house
have to do with rec.bats?
--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

More than "Rand Paul & Ted Cruz"


Really? Like most "modern" Republican federal office holders, Rand Paul
and Ted Cruz are *not* friends of the environment or efforts to protect
it. You might think that those sorts of positions would make them
anathema to pleasure boaters and sport fishermen.

What's a blown power transformer in front of a suburban house have to do
with rec.boats, especially one maintained by the local power company?

Have you ever started or even contributed to a boating thread here?

It is absolutely true that this place was pretty civil while you were
on safari.



1. Yes.

2. Bull****.


So, what does a power transformer in front of your house have to do with
rec.boats? What does an old, beaten up motorcycle have to do with
rec.boats? What does an oversized RV have to do with rec.boats? What do
model airplanes have to do with rec.boats? What do firearms have to do
with rec.boats? What do grandchildren who are not out on a boat have to
do with rec.boats? What does golf have to do with rec.boats?

Rhetorical questions of course. The point is that almost *nothing*
posted here has anything to do with recreational boating or fishing.

The majority of posters here do not have boats. The boatless include
most of those in my bozo bin. I cannot recall, for example, a single
post from such paragons of posting virtue as BAR or FlaJim, for example,
that would indicate either owns a boat, or that BAR had a boat during my
years here.

This is not a place to discuss boats in a civil manner. You righties
control this group by numbers, and you have made that way.



--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

On 3/25/14, 8:03 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:39:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Trolling again? What does a power transformer in front of your house
have to do with rec.bats?
--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

More than "Rand Paul & Ted Cruz"


lots more than Andy Borowitz!
Recreational boaters with trailer boats use the home power to charge
batteries, or lights to work on the boat. How does a boater use your
nasty posts?

On 3/25/14, 2:23 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:10:36 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/25/14, 11:03 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:39:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


Trolling again? What does a power transformer in front of your house
have to do with rec.bats?
--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

More than "Rand Paul & Ted Cruz"


Really? Like most "modern" Republican federal office holders, Rand Paul
and Ted Cruz are *not* friends of the environment or efforts to protect
it. You might think that those sorts of positions would make them
anathema to pleasure boaters and sport fishermen.


There is a huge difference between really protecting the environment
and stupid regulations that do not really protect anything.
The Manatee speed zones are a great example. There is no indication
from what I see looking at manatee all the time that they even try to
get out of the way of a boat going at slow/no wake speed. They seem to
swim toward the boat as often as anything, attracted by the pee stream
I suppose. If you are sitting still, they will swim right up and put
their nose on the lower unit.
I was "rammed" abeam by one, while I was poking along at dead idle in
Jew Fish Creek.




Oh, so since you were inconvenienced by manatee protection regs, it's ok
for the leaders of your party to be opposed to all environmental
protection? I get it.

--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!

On 3/25/14, 2:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:35:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/25/14, 1:08 PM, wrote:

Have you ever started or even contributed to a boating thread here?

It is absolutely true that this place was pretty civil while you were
on safari.



1. Yes.

2. Bull****.


So, what does a power transformer in front of your house have to do with
rec.boats? What does an old, beaten up motorcycle have to do with
rec.boats? What does an oversized RV have to do with rec.boats? What do
model airplanes have to do with rec.boats? What do firearms have to do
with rec.boats? What do grandchildren who are not out on a boat have to
do with rec.boats? What does golf have to do with rec.boats?

Rhetorical questions of course. The point is that almost *nothing*
posted here has anything to do with recreational boating or fishing.

The majority of posters here do not have boats. The boatless include
most of those in my bozo bin. I cannot recall, for example, a single
post from such paragons of posting virtue as BAR or FlaJim, for example,
that would indicate either owns a boat, or that BAR had a boat during my
years here.

This is not a place to discuss boats in a civil manner. You righties
control this group by numbers, and you have made that way.

That all ignores the fact that there were absolutely ZERO political
posts while you were gone.
It was fairly quiet here but it was also very civil. With you and
Kevin gone, there is a very good chance this might even be a boating
board again because some of the people who left, might come back..


There will be plenty of time for you to live without strife at the
nursing home.

There is no chance this will become a boating newsgroup again. You
righties have driven off most of the interesting posters with boats, and
I read that Skipper died.

--
Rand Paul & Ted Cruz…your 2016 GOP nominees, because ‘Mericans deserve
crazy!