On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.

Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on 'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.

On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on 'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:57:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on 'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

And where do you see anything that says that? Here? In the Fairfax County program?

On 2/8/14, 11:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:57:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on 'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

And where do you see anything that says that? Here? In the Fairfax County program?


No. From you.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 12:19:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:54 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:57:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the 'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on 'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

And where do you see anything that says that? Here? In the Fairfax County program?


No. From you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

Uh-huh. (That was the sarcastic version, but I hope you don't think it was a 'personal attack'!!!)

On 2/8/2014 10:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the
abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the
'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of
information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on
'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

Where and who in this discussion every said or suggested that "sex is
dirty"? Freudian slip?

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:10:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/8/2014 10:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the
abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the
'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of
information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on
'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

Where and who in this discussion every said or suggested that "sex is
dirty"? Freudian slip?

LOL!

On 2/8/14, 1:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2014 10:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the
abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the
'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of
information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the
transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in
his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were
kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen
pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on
'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

Where and who in this discussion every said or suggested that "sex is
dirty"? Freudian slip?

I get the impression that John is somewhat repressive on the subject.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:49:50 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 1:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2014 10:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 10:52 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:43:47 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 10:23 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:22:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:02:34 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

We must be coming at it from different angles. I saw the
abstinence being taught as the only
'foolproof' method of preventing pregnancies and STD's, which it is.

===

To me that's like saying that the only foolproof way of avoiding
automobile accidents is to not get in a car.

I agree. But if a kid thinks that rubbers, pills, IUDs, etc are the
'safe surefire way' to prevent
STDs and/or pregnancies, then this might be a worthwhile bit of
information.



Condoms are an effective way to prevent the transmission of venereal
diseases. The other methods you listed are not. Basing sex education
classes on the "wonderfulness" of abstinence tells the students you are
not taking the teaching of sex education seriously. Teaching students
that they need to use a condom every time to prevent the
transmission of
disease and to prevent pregnancy while engaging in sex *is* taking the
teaching of sex education seriously. No, the condoms are not 100%
effective, but if used properly, they are damned close to it.

Teenagers are going to engage in sexual activity. There's no question
about that. The "science" on that is settled. What responsible adults
need to do is make sure that the teens know to use a condom.



Back when I was 16, one of my after school jobs was working at a small
pharmacy in a pretty rough neighborhood. I was the combination soda
jerk, delivery boy, and salesman of booze and condoms. The latter two
activities were illegal for a kid my age, of course, but the
pharmacist/owner said no one from the alcohol board had ever been in
his
store. Condoms were a grey area back then in Connecticut. They were
kept
behind the counter and when someone came in to buy some, I had to go
fetch them. Some of the buyers were high school kids. That made the
pharmacist smile because, he said, there would be fewer teen
pregnancies
in the neighborhood if the boys were "wearing a raincoat."

I understand that many Americans have sexual hangups. I managed to grow
up without them.



Where did anyone say anything about *basing* sex education on
'abstinence', Harry?

When you were 16, as now, you were perfect.


Hardy, but no one taught or told me that "sex is dirty."

Where and who in this discussion every said or suggested that "sex is
dirty"? Freudian slip?

I get the impression that John is somewhat repressive on the subject.

I'll confess, I've not done the job, as well as some here, of describing my sexual prowess!

(But, in Vietnam my First Sergeant made sure there was a box of condoms on his desk free for the
taking- up to three a day.)