| Home |
| Search |
| Today's Posts |
|
|
|
#2
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
Bad outcome
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/19/2014 3:07 PM, amdx wrote: On 1/19/2014 1:37 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:05:28 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Name one law against things people want that has not caused a massive underground enterprise to supply that item and short circuit any effort to regulate it.. Incandescent light bulbs. There does not seem to be any shortage of 100w incandescent bulbs If it really became something people wanted in any quantity, they would be coming in by the truck load. http://www.elightbulbs.com/Halco-063...UOOg odHSYAtg But, it's not a standard 100 Watt light bulb. You not seeing them at Walmart, Kmart etc. Mikek I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? |
|
#3
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
|
|
#4
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
|
|
#5
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/2014 7:51 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/20/14, 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. I bought a few of those Cree bulbs at Home Despot. They seem to be working well. Haven't noticed any difference in the color of the room lighting. I confess I was a bit of a skeptic until I tried one. They work fine, to me. Proof will be in the pudding in terms of how long they work. |
|
#6
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/14, 9:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/20/2014 7:51 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/20/14, 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. I bought a few of those Cree bulbs at Home Despot. They seem to be working well. Haven't noticed any difference in the color of the room lighting. I confess I was a bit of a skeptic until I tried one. They work fine, to me. Proof will be in the pudding in terms of how long they work. The package I have says it will last 22.8 years at three hours a day until the bulb burns out. In 22.8 years, I suspect the bulb between my ears will dim, if not burn out entirely. I read somewhere...maybe it is a false memory...that you shouldn't put two of these bulbs in a multi-bulb fixture. But there's nothing on the packaging that says that. I'd like to find some "candleabra" LED bulbs. We have a zillion of them in the house and in our outdoor garage and porch fixtures. |
|
#7
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/2014 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/20/14, 9:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/20/2014 7:51 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/20/14, 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. I bought a few of those Cree bulbs at Home Despot. They seem to be working well. Haven't noticed any difference in the color of the room lighting. I confess I was a bit of a skeptic until I tried one. They work fine, to me. Proof will be in the pudding in terms of how long they work. The package I have says it will last 22.8 years at three hours a day until the bulb burns out. In 22.8 years, I suspect the bulb between my ears will dim, if not burn out entirely. I read somewhere...maybe it is a false memory...that you shouldn't put two of these bulbs in a multi-bulb fixture. But there's nothing on the packaging that says that. I'd like to find some "candleabra" LED bulbs. We have a zillion of them in the house and in our outdoor garage and porch fixtures. Your 22.8 years has expired. |
|
#8
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/2014 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. Yeah, but what's 800 lumen? How many do you need to run to make up for one 100 watt incandescent? I have CFL's in our home and I can't see **** half of the time. Most of the lamps are rated for wattages that alllow you to see with real bulbs. Not so much with the fake Chinese bulbs... |
|
#9
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/2014 8:20 AM, KC wrote:
On 1/20/2014 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. Yeah, but what's 800 lumen? How many do you need to run to make up for one 100 watt incandescent? I have CFL's in our home and I can't see **** half of the time. Most of the lamps are rated for wattages that alllow you to see with real bulbs. Not so much with the fake Chinese bulbs... CFL's suck. There's not much more you can say about them. |
|
#10
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Bad outcome
On 1/20/2014 8:20 AM, KC wrote:
On 1/20/2014 5:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/19/2014 11:43 PM, wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:31 -0600, Califbill wrote: I installed two, 60 watt LED bulbs in my loft studio ceiling. They are shaped like regular old light bulbs and illuminate in the same, non-directional pattern. I like them. Plenty of light, doesn't have any funny color and I have them controlled by a regular dimmer designed for incandescents. No problems dimming them although it doesn't like controlling only one. Not enough load. The LEDs may be OK. But the mini fluorescent. More expensive, do not last any longer and are toxic waste. Ow many land fills will become superfund sites with the bulbs? My problem with LEDS and CFLs is they do not change color when you dim them. The warmer colors you get from a dimmed incandescent is the whole point. I know they could do this with a color changing LED but at what cost? If I am happy with a $1.50 lamp that will last almost forever running at 75% power, why would I want a $50+ LED that uses almost as much power "dimmed" as it does full bright and may actually fail sooner. I never noticed that the LED bulbs are not "warmer" color-wise when dimmed. I guess that's not very important to me. The room just gets darker. The whole idea behind these types of bulbs is energy conservation, not romantic lighting. Replacing one 60 or 75 watt incandescent bulb with a LED bulb of equivalent lighting may not be huge, but replacing tens or hundreds of millions across the country sure is. Lighting makes up about 13 percent of average residential electricity consumption. Replacing the old bulbs as they burn out with LED equivalents makes sense to me. We've slowly been doing that over the past year or so and also replacing any of those stupid CFL type lights we have with LED types. The built-in ballast used in CFLs seem to pop as often or even more so than the incandescent filaments did. The LED bulbs I bought are made by Cree. They don't cost $50. They are $12.95. 800 lumen, dimmable, 25,000 hour life expectancy, 10 year warranty and consume 9.5 watts. Yeah, but what's 800 lumen? How many do you need to run to make up for one 100 watt incandescent? I have CFL's in our home and I can't see **** half of the time. Most of the lamps are rated for wattages that alllow you to see with real bulbs. Not so much with the fake Chinese bulbs... Spring $12.95 for one and try it in a place that you currently use a single, 60, 75 or 100 watt bulb. You might be surprised after a while. The LEDs are not like the CFL types. Just make sure you get the omnidirectional Cree. They also make directional types. Also, I am pretty sure they have at least two color temperatures available. I used the "white" light version. I haven't tried the other color temp. Maybe if I did I might feel more romantic. We replaced four incandescent floodlights on the outside of the barn with LED types. Not as much light as with the much higher wattage incandescent bulbs but still very adequate for seeing where you are going at night. |
| Reply |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Forum | |||
| Eclipse Abandonment Outcome | Cruising | |||
Hybrid Mode
