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"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!
--

John H.


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I remember it well. It wasn't a "session" or anything like that.
He sat behind a desk with your folder, you sat in a chair and he asked
a few benign questions. I think they just looked at how your
composure was and how you answered them.

I know it was a shrink because at the next processing station I asked
who the guy was.

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On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

By knowing lots of them.
One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education,
proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file,
not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with.

I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most
depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no
work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who
she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone.
The club manager was afraid to fire him.



That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose
specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the
field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a
licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and
non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder.

What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for
multiple sclerosis?

I'm giggling at your arrogance.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time!

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:51:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

By knowing lots of them.
One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education,
proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file,
not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with.

I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most
depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no
work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who
she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone.
The club manager was afraid to fire him.



That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose
specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the
field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a
licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and
non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder.

In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and
medication. She was afraid of him too.

Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around.
Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose

What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for
multiple sclerosis?

I never said I had a cure
Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people
to function but that changes over time so they need constant
monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them.
Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs.

I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have
actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds.
People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the
street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11

One of my best friends is right in the middle of the storm. He has a
granddaughter who is bipolar and perhaps schizophrenic taking a
cocktail of drugs (when she actually takes them). He also has a father
in law who has dementia and a mother in law with alzheimer

That is really the perfect storm.when they are in a room together.

He calls me quite often, just to vent.

And besides....you *are* pretty amazing, and FOAD *should* be amazed!
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

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On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

By knowing lots of them.
One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education,
proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file,
not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with.

I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most
depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no
work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who
she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone.
The club manager was afraid to fire him.



That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose
specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the
field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a
licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and
non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder.

In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and
medication. She was afraid of him too.

Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had
specific information.


Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around.
Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose

That's true.


What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for
multiple sclerosis?

I never said I had a cure
Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people
to function but that changes over time so they need constant
monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them.
Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs.

I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have
actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds.
People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the
street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11

Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with
serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been
hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases.

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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos.

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wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental
illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military
in the first place.
Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as
looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in
Boston.
They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go
into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six
questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that.


I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp,
after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted.
Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and
skill.

I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted.

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:56:15 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:51:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at
by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform!
--
I was pretty happy that we did not see much of that after the first
few weeks of boot camp.
They were still pretty tough on you if you screwed up but as long as
you did your job it was fairly benign. By the time I got out on a
ship, people were just about like anywhere else.
They do remind you, "screw up and people can die" but other than that
it was just a job.
New guys on a construction site have it a lot tougher.

During Basic Training at Ft Leonard Wood, I was an 'acting jack' platoon sergeant. Our real platoon
sergeant and I got along very well, and I had it pretty easy during basic. The screaming was in the
induction center in Kansas City.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

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On 9/19/13 4:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos.


And how would you know that?

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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:21:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/19/13 4:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union
guys Harry loves so much.

What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military??

Just putting it perspective.



How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among
organized construction workers?

Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos.


And how would you know that?

He's just smart.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!