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On 9/17/13 4:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:25:30 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? Better trained guards and better perimeter control. Evidently there was no access control once you got through the gate. The schools here only have one entrance and I think it is locked. You want schools to hire better trained guards and perimeter control at the same time they are laying off teachers, eh? Oh and that one entrance thingie? Schools have glass windows. No problem with a guy with a gun to shoot his way in. Many of the teachers should be out-right fired rather than layed off. |
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In article , "Mr. Luddite" says...
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. Come on squid, Washinton is a Navy Yard, not a Navy Base. |
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On 9/17/13 4:38 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:23:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault? Not this one. Why on earth would they call them assault rifles? The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. How easy is it? Any AR-15 with the holes for the automatic seer is classified as a full-auto machinegun. |
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On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? |
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On 9/19/2013 12:03 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? Didn't your S O do a dissertation including that topic. Greg might have read it. I remember looking at it on the college website. |
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. Your "wags" are getting more wild. :) There's a lot more stigma to "coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has been reported increasingly of late. http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r ------------------------------ If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:29:08 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:26:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. Most installations that I've been to now use rentacops. The Marine Base Quantico switches back and forth. Ft. Belvoir uses only rentacops. Ft. Belvior used to be an open base. Several areas were guarded with better than rent-a-cops and they have or had signs posted that said "Use of deadly force is authorized." There is still at least one area which has its own fence, gate and guards. I've not been in there in a long time, so don't know if the guards there are now military or not. Belvoir hasn't been 'open' for a long time, well before 9/11. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:24:48 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 9/17/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because, even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from buying a firearm. It does not appear that he was under any kind of treatment and certainly not under court ordered treatment, the only thing that would "pop" on a background check. More interesting was how he got a "secret" security clearance. About 5 million people have a "secret" security clearance. Most of them don't need those clearances. I had a secret clearance for about 5 years. Our company was a subcontractor that provided equipment to the military through a large, well known company. When we got out of that market, we were debriefed and "turned in" our clearances. It didn't mean much, anyway. It got us into the buildings when our stuff was being installed and commissioned, but when something was going on in the area we were working, we were still asked to leave at times. Even if the other activity wasn't above our clearance level, everything is on a "need to know" basis. If you don't need to know, you leave. |
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