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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:34:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
wrote:

The Ruger 10/22 rifle I recently purchased was originally introduced
back in the 60s. There are many retrofit kits available for it,
including converting it from semi-auto to full auto. Illegal, of
course, but readily available.

(no, I didn't buy it because of this. I didn't know it until after
I
bought it and have no plans to convert it)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0


I just sold a "legal' Norrell conversion 10-22.
I know how the conversion works and it is nothing you can do in your
garage.
I think a guy trying is just going to turn a decent $150 rifle into
scrap iron.
If you think you can drill holes in the receiver with +/- 0.001"
tolerance using your handy dandy Makita you are better than me.
Then there is the new sear and the disconnector that you have to mill,
Toss in a couple custom wound springs and the reworked trigger and you
are getting close.

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I have access to several precision machine shops owned by "friends".
:-)

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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:



The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full
auto
with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet.

That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop.

ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not
easily
adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs
and
AKs. The military parts are not going to work.
It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a
milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated
parts.

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I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been
converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not
difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a
DVD
showing how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0



I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the
semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto.

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Here's another "modified" Ruger 10/22 with parts you can buy on the
Internet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1fye5Cy-I

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On 9/17/13 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:12:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/17/13 6:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:41:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto
with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet.

That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop.

ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily
adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and
AKs. The military parts are not going to work.
It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a
milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts.

----------------------------

I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been
converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not
difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD
showing how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0



I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the
semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto.

It is on the internet, it must be true


Hell, man, there are or were instructions on making nuclear devices and
experts said some of them were damned close. Turning a semi-assault into
a full assault is chicken soup in comparison.

It still requires drilling some precision holes and maybe milling out
areas of the receiver., I suppose you could use a Dremel tool but you
go first.
I bet the truth be told, more people end up with unreliable junk than
functioning machine guns.

The whole machine gun thing is oversold anyway and that is from a guy
who had one. Even the Army decided that was true. They converted their
full auto M-16s to 3 round burst.



No lightning links available in your 'hood?

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On 9/17/13 6:05 PM, wrote:

The whole machine gun thing is oversold anyway and that is from a guy
who had one. Even the Army decided that was true. They converted their
full auto M-16s to 3 round burst.

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That's true. 3 round bursts were found to be more effective in terms
of accuracy and also solved an over heating problem that caused jams.

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On 9/17/13 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote:


Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.

There was no AR 15 there.
It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do
anything bad without an assault weapon.

NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade
launcher under it.

He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were
taken from cops on site.


A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because,
even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from
buying a firearm.

It does not appear that he was under any kind of treatment and
certainly not under court ordered treatment, the only thing that would
"pop" on a background check.

More interesting was how he got a "secret" security clearance.



About 5 million people have a "secret" security clearance.

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:59:22 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote:
Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.

There was no AR 15 there.
It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do
anything bad without an assault weapon.

NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade
launcher under it.
He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were
taken from cops on site.
Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families.......
No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles.
What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault?

What's the definition of an "assault rifle", Kevin? Something that
looks scary?

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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/17/13 4:38 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:23:15 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the
argument against assault rifles.

What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault?

Not this one.

Why on earth would they call them assault rifles?


The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full
auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet.

And so is a Ruger 10/22. What's your point? When is the last time a
fully-automatic rifle was used in a mass-shooting?

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In article , says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote:


Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale.

There was no AR 15 there.
It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do
anything bad without an assault weapon.

NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade
launcher under it.

He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were
taken from cops on site.

The FBI assist director of the Washington Field office stated that there was no AR-15 used by
the shooter.

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wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:55:31 -0400, Earl wrote:


When is the last time a
fully-automatic rifle was used in a mass-shooting?

In the US?
February 14, 1929 in Chicago ... before they were regulated.

A little factoid. There has never been a legally registered machine
used in a murder.

I think that is not completely true. I think some years ago, a cop used a
department MP5 to kill his wife. Would have been a legal weapon.

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In article ,
says...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:41:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


wrote in message ...

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto
with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet.

That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop.

ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily
adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and
AKs. The military parts are not going to work.
It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a
milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts.

----------------------------

I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been
converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not
difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD
showing how to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0



I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the
semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto.

It is on the internet, it must be true

Yes, according to you, if you see it in a video, it must be true!