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On 9/17/13 1:59 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... Speaks well for the viability of armed guards at public schools, eh? |
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:59:22 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote:
Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. The AR-15 came from the guard. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:59:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... It does take a lot of the wind out of the gun control argument. He did most of the damage with guns he took from the guards. At a certain point we have to realize, he could have taken the first guard down with a pocket knife or a stun gun flashlight. That didn't stop CNN and NBC from running with the AR-15 story all day. NBC even put a grenade launcher on his rifle. Piers Morgan was on for his hour saying if we didn't have these assault rifles, we would not have these killings. I wonder if he will walk that back. Naa. ------------------------- Morgan was also saying that the guy was a contractor with a "top secret" clearance. Top secret clearances aren't handed out to low level contractors. The media gets stumbles over each other to get ratings with some of the most inaccurate and bizarre "reporting" on the planet. |
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On 9/17/13 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:59:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... It does take a lot of the wind out of the gun control argument. He did most of the damage with guns he took from the guards. At a certain point we have to realize, he could have taken the first guard down with a pocket knife or a stun gun flashlight. That didn't stop CNN and NBC from running with the AR-15 story all day. NBC even put a grenade launcher on his rifle. Piers Morgan was on for his hour saying if we didn't have these assault rifles, we would not have these killings. I wonder if he will walk that back. Naa. ------------------------- Morgan was also saying that the guy was a contractor with a "top secret" clearance. Top secret clearances aren't handed out to low level contractors. The media gets stumbles over each other to get ratings with some of the most inaccurate and bizarre "reporting" on the planet. There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? |
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On 9/17/13 4:38 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:23:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault? Not this one. Why on earth would they call them assault rifles? The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:25:30 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/17/13 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:59:22 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... It does take a lot of the wind out of the gun control argument. He did most of the damage with guns he took from the guards. At a certain point we have to realize, he could have taken the first guard down with a pocket knife or a stun gun flashlight. That didn't stop CNN and NBC from running with the AR-15 story all day. NBC even put a grenade launcher on his rifle. Piers Morgan was on for his hour saying if we didn't have these assault rifles, we would not have these killings. I wonder if he will walk that back. Naa. ------------------------- Morgan was also saying that the guy was a contractor with a "top secret" clearance. Top secret clearances aren't handed out to low level contractors. The media gets stumbles over each other to get ratings with some of the most inaccurate and bizarre "reporting" on the planet. There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? If I carried my shotgun in my truck, I could blast away guards almost anywhere, including the gates at Marine Corps Base Quantico. What's your solution for school safety? -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. --------------------------- The Ruger 10/22 rifle I recently purchased was originally introduced back in the 60s. There are many retrofit kits available for it, including converting it from semi-auto to full auto. Illegal, of course, but readily available. (no, I didn't buy it because of this. I didn't know it until after I bought it and have no plans to convert it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 |
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On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto. |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:26:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. Most installations that I've been to now use rentacops. The Marine Base Quantico switches back and forth. Ft. Belvoir uses only rentacops. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 9/17/13 6:05 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:41:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto. It is on the internet, it must be true Hell, man, there are or were instructions on making nuclear devices and experts said some of them were damned close. Turning a semi-assault into a full assault is chicken soup in comparison. |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:34:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: The Ruger 10/22 rifle I recently purchased was originally introduced back in the 60s. There are many retrofit kits available for it, including converting it from semi-auto to full auto. Illegal, of course, but readily available. (no, I didn't buy it because of this. I didn't know it until after I bought it and have no plans to convert it) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I just sold a "legal' Norrell conversion 10-22. I know how the conversion works and it is nothing you can do in your garage. I think a guy trying is just going to turn a decent $150 rifle into scrap iron. If you think you can drill holes in the receiver with +/- 0.001" tolerance using your handy dandy Makita you are better than me. Then there is the new sear and the disconnector that you have to mill, Toss in a couple custom wound springs and the reworked trigger and you are getting close. --------------------------- I have access to several precision machine shops owned by "friends". :-) |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto. ----------------------------- Here's another "modified" Ruger 10/22 with parts you can buy on the Internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1fye5Cy-I |
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On 9/17/13 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:12:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 6:05 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:41:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto. It is on the internet, it must be true Hell, man, there are or were instructions on making nuclear devices and experts said some of them were damned close. Turning a semi-assault into a full assault is chicken soup in comparison. It still requires drilling some precision holes and maybe milling out areas of the receiver., I suppose you could use a Dremel tool but you go first. I bet the truth be told, more people end up with unreliable junk than functioning machine guns. The whole machine gun thing is oversold anyway and that is from a guy who had one. Even the Army decided that was true. They converted their full auto M-16s to 3 round burst. No lightning links available in your 'hood? |
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On 9/17/13 6:05 PM, wrote: The whole machine gun thing is oversold anyway and that is from a guy who had one. Even the Army decided that was true. They converted their full auto M-16s to 3 round burst. ----------------------------- That's true. 3 round bursts were found to be more effective in terms of accuracy and also solved an over heating problem that caused jams. |
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On 9/17/13 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because, even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from buying a firearm. It does not appear that he was under any kind of treatment and certainly not under court ordered treatment, the only thing that would "pop" on a background check. More interesting was how he got a "secret" security clearance. About 5 million people have a "secret" security clearance. |
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:59:22 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. Well, that makes it all better for the victims and their families....... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault? What's the definition of an "assault rifle", Kevin? Something that looks scary? |
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F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/17/13 4:38 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:23:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault? Not this one. Why on earth would they call them assault rifles? The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. And so is a Ruger 10/22. What's your point? When is the last time a fully-automatic rifle was used in a mass-shooting? |
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:55:31 -0400, Earl wrote: When is the last time a fully-automatic rifle was used in a mass-shooting? In the US? February 14, 1929 in Chicago ... before they were regulated. A little factoid. There has never been a legally registered machine used in a murder. I think that is not completely true. I think some years ago, a cop used a department MP5 to kill his wife. Would have been a legal weapon. |
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says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:41:23 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 5:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. That is largely a myth, unless you have access to a machine shop. ATF has required that receivers are made such that they are not easily adapted to full auto since 1968. That is particularly true of ARs and AKs. The military parts are not going to work. It is the same way with my M1A. It would take a bit of work on a milling machine to get it to accept the selector and associated parts. ---------------------------- I'll repost this link. It's a standard Ruger 10/22 that has been converted to full auto. I've been told that the conversion is not difficult but it's illegal to sell the parts. Instead, they sell a DVD showing how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqDe_QfOF0 I've seen videos showing parts bought on the internet that convert the semi-auto "assault" rifles into full auto. It is on the internet, it must be true Yes, according to you, if you see it in a video, it must be true! |
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says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ |
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On 9/18/13 2:02 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ You wonder that after reading the posts from some of those in rec.boats? |
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On Wednesday, 18 September 2013 15:02:00 UTC-3, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ Looks like there were a lot of unsociable ones that thankfully got drummed out. |
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On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. Your "wags" are getting more wild. :) There's a lot more stigma to "coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has been reported increasingly of late. http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. Your "wags" are getting more wild. :) There's a lot more stigma to "coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has been reported increasingly of late. http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r ------------------------------ If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. |
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On 9/18/13 8:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. Your "wags" are getting more wild. :) There's a lot more stigma to "coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has been reported increasingly of late. http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r ------------------------------ If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. I wouldn't bet the baby or the bathwater on that. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. Expert diagnosticians pick up on many of the mentally ill who might pass a simple screen, especially one conducted like an assembly line. |
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says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? |
Another dozen dead
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Another dozen dead
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On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because, even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from buying a firearm. That is the government's fault. |
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