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On 9/17/13 4:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:25:30 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? Better trained guards and better perimeter control. Evidently there was no access control once you got through the gate. The schools here only have one entrance and I think it is locked. You want schools to hire better trained guards and perimeter control at the same time they are laying off teachers, eh? Oh and that one entrance thingie? Schools have glass windows. No problem with a guy with a gun to shoot his way in. Many of the teachers should be out-right fired rather than layed off. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. Come on squid, Washinton is a Navy Yard, not a Navy Base. |
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On 9/17/13 4:38 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:23:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... No it doesn't, but it *does* illustrate the fallacy in the argument against assault rifles. What's the fallacy? Aren't assault rifles used for assault? Not this one. Why on earth would they call them assault rifles? The so-called semi auto assault rifles are easily converted to full auto with pieces and parts you can buy on the internet. How easy is it? Any AR-15 with the holes for the automatic seer is classified as a full-auto machinegun. |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? |
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On 9/19/2013 12:03 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? Didn't your S O do a dissertation including that topic. Greg might have read it. I remember looking at it on the college website. |
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 9/18/13 6:38 PM, wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:02:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:49:08 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. This is really starting to look like a massive government **** up. Alexis was nuts but the VA never told anyone He had 8 run ins with military justice but got an Honorable Discharge The DoD gave him a secret clearance without even finding the things the CNN found with minimal effort The list goes on. One thing that is interesting. The background check everyone sees as the panacea, did not stop this guy from buying his SHOTGUN (No AR 15 involved) Nothing popped on the background check. Most of the damage was actually done with guns he took from the guards tho. He could have done that with a pocket knife or a blunt object if he needed a weapon at all to subdue a 60 year old civil service guard who was sleepwalking through his day. He first got a General Discharge, which usually indicates a behavior problem He appealed it and got it made Honorable. A secret clearance is no big deal. He probably got that soon after he enlisted, before any problems developed, and it was never revoked. Damn, that makes me wonder how many crazed whackos there are in the military........ There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. Your "wags" are getting more wild. :) There's a lot more stigma to "coming out" with a mental illness if you are in the military, as has been reported increasingly of late. http://tinyurl.com/lbt6m4r ------------------------------ If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:29:08 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:26:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... There is no humor in this situation, but it is quite ironic that at a U.S. Navy installation that is guarded by more more than a retired cop with a .38, a fellow was able to walk right in and blast away with a shotgun he might have hidden under his coat. How's that NRA solution for school safety looking now? ----------------------- I don't know how things are today but access control to all military bases used to be by armed military personnel, often Marines. That changed over the years at bases in what are considered "low threat" areas and access control has been farmed out to civilian security firms in many places. I don't know who checks badges and controls access at the Washington DC Navy base. Most installations that I've been to now use rentacops. The Marine Base Quantico switches back and forth. Ft. Belvoir uses only rentacops. Ft. Belvior used to be an open base. Several areas were guarded with better than rent-a-cops and they have or had signs posted that said "Use of deadly force is authorized." There is still at least one area which has its own fence, gate and guards. I've not been in there in a long time, so don't know if the guards there are now military or not. Belvoir hasn't been 'open' for a long time, well before 9/11. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:24:48 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 9/17/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because, even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from buying a firearm. It does not appear that he was under any kind of treatment and certainly not under court ordered treatment, the only thing that would "pop" on a background check. More interesting was how he got a "secret" security clearance. About 5 million people have a "secret" security clearance. Most of them don't need those clearances. I had a secret clearance for about 5 years. Our company was a subcontractor that provided equipment to the military through a large, well known company. When we got out of that market, we were debriefed and "turned in" our clearances. It didn't mean much, anyway. It got us into the buildings when our stuff was being installed and commissioned, but when something was going on in the area we were working, we were still asked to leave at times. Even if the other activity wasn't above our clearance level, everything is on a "need to know" basis. If you don't need to know, you leave. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! -- John H. ----------------------------- I remember it well. It wasn't a "session" or anything like that. He sat behind a desk with your folder, you sat in a chair and he asked a few benign questions. I think they just looked at how your composure was and how you answered them. I know it was a shrink because at the next processing station I asked who the guy was. |
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On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I'm giggling at your arrogance. |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform! -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:51:15 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 One of my best friends is right in the middle of the storm. He has a granddaughter who is bipolar and perhaps schizophrenic taking a cocktail of drugs (when she actually takes them). He also has a father in law who has dementia and a mother in law with alzheimer That is really the perfect storm.when they are in a room together. He calls me quite often, just to vent. And besides....you *are* pretty amazing, and FOAD *should* be amazed! -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had specific information. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose That's true. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos. |
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp, after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted. Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and skill. I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted. |
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On 9/19/13 4:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos. And how would you know that? |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:21:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 4:10 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos. And how would you know that? He's just smart. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had specific information. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose That's true. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases. BFD. My wife was around my profession of computer engineering for 40 years. She still does not like them or really understand them. She does understand bipolar disorder. Her mom suffered from it even before my wife was born. Probably a hell of a lot better understanding than the play toy of a pseudo shrink. |
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On 9/19/13 5:39 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had specific information. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose That's true. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases. BFD. My wife was around my profession of computer engineering for 40 years. She still does not like them or really understand them. She does understand bipolar disorder. Her mom suffered from it even before my wife was born. Probably a hell of a lot better understanding than the play toy of a pseudo shrink. There's nothing that compares to right-wing ignorance. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform! -- John H. -------------------------------- I was not drafted. I received a draft notice to report for induction but I booked it down to the Navy recruiter and signed up instead. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp, after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted. Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and skill. I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted. --------------------------- Yeah, I am somewhat surprised at some of the other experiences people have described when joining or being inducted. I spent two days in Boston with a bunch of other people before we "officially" raised our hands and took the oath. One day was dedicated to the physical and dental exams. Typical hurry up and wait and it took most of the day. The other day was for taking tests, which also lasted for about 3 hours. After all that, we were taken in smaller groups into some sort of ceremonial roomthat was decorated with flags, historical pictures and other Navy related things. An officer (forget what rank) in dress blues administered the oath and we became government property. |
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On 9/19/13 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp, after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted. Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and skill. I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted. --------------------------- Yeah, I am somewhat surprised at some of the other experiences people have described when joining or being inducted. I spent two days in Boston with a bunch of other people before we "officially" raised our hands and took the oath. One day was dedicated to the physical and dental exams. Typical hurry up and wait and it took most of the day. The other day was for taking tests, which also lasted for about 3 hours. After all that, we were taken in smaller groups into some sort of ceremonial roomthat was decorated with flags, historical pictures and other Navy related things. An officer (forget what rank) in dress blues administered the oath and we became government property. I never head a pre-induction physical, so I listened to Alice's Restaurant. I'm sure the guys on the "Group W" bench would have been a lot of fun. The Group W bench in the song is, according to Wiki... "...where those draftees wait who cannot be inducted except under a moral waiver, then are rejected as unfit for military service. The ironic punch line of the story is that, in the words of Guthrie, "I'm sittin' here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough to join the Army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." The officer rejects Guthrie for military service, declaring "we don't like your kind" and sending his fingerprints to the FBI." |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:41:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:37:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. When I got drafted, I sure don't remember any 'shrink' time! Actually, I don't remember anything 'benign'. It seems like we were being continuously screamed at by a whole bunch of folks in a uniform! That was probably smart, although the Army did well by me. I was a high school grad, couldn't afford college, and was a utility man on a survey team. I can't bitch too much. -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:04:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp, after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted. Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and skill. I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted. --------------------------- Yeah, I am somewhat surprised at some of the other experiences people have described when joining or being inducted. I spent two days in Boston with a bunch of other people before we "officially" raised our hands and took the oath. One day was dedicated to the physical and dental exams. Typical hurry up and wait and it took most of the day. The other day was for taking tests, which also lasted for about 3 hours. After all that, we were taken in smaller groups into some sort of ceremonial roomthat was decorated with flags, historical pictures and other Navy related things. An officer (forget what rank) in dress blues administered the oath and we became government property. I never head a pre-induction physical, so I listened to Alice's Restaurant. I'm sure the guys on the "Group W" bench would have been a lot of fun. The Group W bench in the song is, according to Wiki... "...where those draftees wait who cannot be inducted except under a moral waiver, then are rejected as unfit for military service. The ironic punch line of the story is that, in the words of Guthrie, "I'm sittin' here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough to join the Army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." The officer rejects Guthrie for military service, declaring "we don't like your kind" and sending his fingerprints to the FBI." We're all proud of you and thankful for your service, FOAD! -- John H. Hope you're having a great day! |
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:21:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos. And how would you know that? Although the term is dated "going postal" used to be the slang for work place shootings. Bingo! |
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On 9/19/13 7:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:21:39 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Seems as if postal union guys are even higher percentage of whackos. And how would you know that? Although the term is dated "going postal" used to be the slang for work place shootings. Bingo! Ahh, another rec.boater using the scientific method to prove a posit. |
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"Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message ... wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:35:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com wrote: If the screening done before joining worked, people with mental illnesses or potential mental instability wouldn't be in the military in the first place. Problem is, diagnosing mental issues is not as straightforward as looking for flat feet. I remember my pre-enlistment physical in Boston. They spent all day doing all kinds of physical tests. Then you go into a room and sit down with a shrink. He asks you five or six questions, then yells, "Next". Took about 5 minutes, if that. I never talked to a shrink and my induction physical was in boot camp, after I was signed up. Maybe that was because I was not drafted. Pre induction, the only tests I took were on knowledge, aptitude and skill. I took a draft physical. Before I was drafted. --------------------------- Yeah, I am somewhat surprised at some of the other experiences people have described when joining or being inducted. I spent two days in Boston with a bunch of other people before we "officially" raised our hands and took the oath. One day was dedicated to the physical and dental exams. Typical hurry up and wait and it took most of the day. The other day was for taking tests, which also lasted for about 3 hours. After all that, we were taken in smaller groups into some sort of ceremonial roomthat was decorated with flags, historical pictures and other Navy related things. An officer (forget what rank) in dress blues administered the oath and we became government property. I did not take the tests until the Draft Notice was lost in the mail. I and mom had both moved. So booked to Air Force guy at Travis. He administered tests. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 9/19/13 5:39 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had specific information. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose That's true. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases. BFD. My wife was around my profession of computer engineering for 40 years. She still does not like them or really understand them. She does understand bipolar disorder. Her mom suffered from it even before my wife was born. Probably a hell of a lot better understanding than the play toy of a pseudo shrink. There's nothing that compares to right-wing ignorance. Left wing ignorance. |
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On 9/20/2013 2:37 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 5:39 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 3:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:42:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 2:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. That's just amazing, Greg...I mean, of course, your ability to diagnose specific mental illnesses without benefit of a higher education in the field, training, apprenticeships, or working under the supervision of a licensed professional in the field. All that non-education and non-training has qualified you to diagnose bipolar disorder. In the case of this guy, his wife told my wife about his history and medication. She was afraid of him too. Ahh, so you can't tell because you know "a lot of them," you had specific information. Usually the tip off is the drugs they carry around. Lithium ain't for a stuffy nose That's true. What's next on your bucket list, discovering the prevention and cure for multiple sclerosis? I never said I had a cure Nobody really does., They can get the drugs dialed in to allow people to function but that changes over time so they need constant monitoring and a lot of these people stop taking them. Worst case, they self medicate with alcohol or street drugs. I understand you live vicariously through your wife but I have actually lived around a lot of these people, on and off their meds. People who would have you locking your car door if you saw them on the street. Certainly nobody you would talk to down at the 7-11 Because of my wife's profession, I've met quite a few people with serious mental/emotional disorders, including some who have been hospitalized for long periods of time...years, in several cases. BFD. My wife was around my profession of computer engineering for 40 years. She still does not like them or really understand them. She does understand bipolar disorder. Her mom suffered from it even before my wife was born. Probably a hell of a lot better understanding than the play toy of a pseudo shrink. There's nothing that compares to right-wing ignorance. Left wing ignorance. There's no comparison. Remember the Democratic Senator who quizzed a Navy Admiral about Guam flipping over? |
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says... On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. I've been in the construction industries all of my life, and that idea that construction workers are more likely to be bi-polar than the general population is pure horse****. |
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On 9/20/13 10:03 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. I've been in the construction industries all of my life, and that idea that construction workers are more likely to be bi-polar than the general population is pure horse****. The reality is that Greg has absolutely no idea what the incidence of serious emotional/mental disorders might be among "hard hat union guys." He's just trying to parlay his little bit of anecdotal info into a universal truth. He does that a lot. :) |
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On 9/20/13 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:13:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/20/13 10:03 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. I've been in the construction industries all of my life, and that idea that construction workers are more likely to be bi-polar than the general population is pure horse****. The reality is that Greg has absolutely no idea what the incidence of serious emotional/mental disorders might be among "hard hat union guys." He's just trying to parlay his little bit of anecdotal info into a universal truth. He does that a lot. :) Let's go back and see what I originally said "There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys" Did I ever say there were a higher incidence Kevin? Did I say it was a universal truth Harry? If you guys lie about what I say, it is easy to say I am wrong. Can you quantify "no shortage"? |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 9/20/13 10:03 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:03:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/19/13 11:56 AM, wrote: On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:02:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... There is no shortage of bi-polar gun nuts among those hard hat union guys Harry loves so much. What does that have to do with how many whack jobs are in the military?? Just putting it perspective. How would you know what the incidence of bipolar disorder might be among organized construction workers? By knowing lots of them. One of the byproducts of my working class, no higher education, proletariat life is I spent most of my life around the rank and file, not the union leaders and business agents you sipped coffee with. I also spent a lot of time around the trades here in Florida. The most depressed are northern union types who moved here because there was no work up there. Judy had a guy just recently (Michigan steelworker) who she thought was most likely to show up and shoot everyone. The club manager was afraid to fire him. I've been in the construction industries all of my life, and that idea that construction workers are more likely to be bi-polar than the general population is pure horse****. The reality is that Greg has absolutely no idea what the incidence of serious emotional/mental disorders might be among "hard hat union guys." He's just trying to parlay his little bit of anecdotal info into a universal truth. He does that a lot. :) Anecdotal experiences often trump "surveys". |
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On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:24:48 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 9/17/13 11:46 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:44 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 9/17/13 11:05 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:35:36 -0700, jps wrote: Good thing Virginia has plenty of AR-15s for ready sale. There was no AR 15 there. It was just a runaway media that does not believe a person can do anything bad without an assault weapon. NBC was even using a graphic of a M-16 that had the M203 grenade launcher under it. He had a Joe Biden shotgun and they believe the 2 pistols he had were taken from cops on site. A shotgun he apparently bought in Virginia a short time ago, because, even though he apparently was mentally ill, that didn't prevent him from buying a firearm. It does not appear that he was under any kind of treatment and certainly not under court ordered treatment, the only thing that would "pop" on a background check. More interesting was how he got a "secret" security clearance. About 5 million people have a "secret" security clearance. Most of them don't need those clearances. I had a secret clearance for about 5 years. Our company was a subcontractor that provided equipment to the military through a large, well known company. When we got out of that market, we were debriefed and "turned in" our clearances. It didn't mean much, anyway. It got us into the buildings when our stuff was being installed and commissioned, but when something was going on in the area we were working, we were still asked to leave at times. Even if the other activity wasn't above our clearance level, everything is on a "need to know" basis. If you don't need to know, you leave. Been there done that. Faced the wall a couple of times with someone behind me ensuring that I didn't turn my head. We were very careful about bringing in replacement parts to some locaitons because once somehting with a memory was brought it only exited inside a locked burn bag and you never saw it again. |
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