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Earl[_91_] September 20th 13 02:43 AM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 11:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest,
upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and
upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip,
who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill
everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone
they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific
Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be
determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if
he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they
want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.


You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or
personal business.

As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits
discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in
hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.

So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,
Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or
Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty
because he
is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.

I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse
service
because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them
service,
as can any business refuse anyone service.


I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg
episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public
accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer
remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no
matter what.


Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes.


What does that have to do with the laws requiring non-discrimination
in the public accommodation business.

He can't answer so he starts the spin/diversion. How transparent...

F.O.A.D. September 20th 13 02:52 AM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
On 9/19/13 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:34:32 -0400, BAR wrote:



How is a diner involved in interstate commerce?


I suppose someone could take the 1964 civil rights act to the SCOTUS
but it hasn't happened yet.




Restaurants are covered under the Public Accommodations section of the
Civil Rights Law of 1964. That would be the law that drove the southern
white Democratic racists out of that party and into the waiting arms of
the GOP, where they and their descendents still reside.

True North[_2_] September 20th 13 03:56 AM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
On Thursday, 19 September 2013 22:40:18 UTC-3, Earl wrote:
iBoaterer wrote:

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On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,


says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:




"F.O.A.D." wrote in message


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On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


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Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.




Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-


owners be treated like smokers.


Just don't seem right.


If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun


owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?


Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!


It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.


What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?


Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.


But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.


Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.






Uh, no.




Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights


law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be


persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she


feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.






That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private


businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want


without a reason that doesn't violate the law.




So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."


As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no


matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.




You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or


personal business.




As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits


discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in


hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public


accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.




So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,


Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or


Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he


is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.


I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service


because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service,


as can any business refuse anyone service.


You don't own your business, Kevin. Do they let you choose who you can

service? Harry's best buddy Donnie posted your personal information and

tried to get people to call your firm so we know you have an employer.



Liar..I never encouraged anyone to call another's employer, although I thought often about reporting your nasty antics to Margaret.

John H[_2_] September 20th 13 01:48 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 19 September 2013 22:40:18 UTC-3, Earl wrote:
iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...


On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,


says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:




"F.O.A.D." wrote in message


...




On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:


In article ,


says...

In article ,


says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.




Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-


owners be treated like smokers.


Just don't seem right.


If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun


owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?


Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!


It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.


What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?


Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.


But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.


Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.






Uh, no.




Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights


law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be


persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she


feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.






That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private


businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want


without a reason that doesn't violate the law.




So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."


As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no


matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.




You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or


personal business.




As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits


discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in


hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public


accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.




So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,


Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or


Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he


is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.


I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service


because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service,


as can any business refuse anyone service.


You don't own your business, Kevin. Do they let you choose who you can

service? Harry's best buddy Donnie posted your personal information and

tried to get people to call your firm so we know you have an employer.



Liar..I never encouraged anyone to call another's employer, although I thought often about reporting your nasty antics to Margaret.


You really should go back and read some of your posts, Don. I think you'd be surprised at the antics
you've performed to keep Harry happy.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

True North[_2_] September 20th 13 01:51 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
On Friday, 20 September 2013 09:48:31 UTC-3, John H wrote:
snip....



You really should go back and read some of your posts, Don. I think you'd be surprised at the antics

you've performed to keep Harry happy.

--



John H.




Wow, Johnny.
Harry seems to dominate your every waking hour. You're starting to remind me of Skipper (RIP) as he slipped near the end.

Read the following lyrics of a popular song and see if anything applies to you.

"When I look up to the skies
I see your eyes a funny kind of yellow
I rush home to bed I soak my head
I see your face underneath my pillow
I wake next morning, tired, still yawning
See your face come peeping through my window

Pictures of matchstick men and you
Mirages of matchstick men and you
All I ever see is them and you

Windows echo your reflection
When I look in their direction now
When will this haunting stop?
Your face it just won't leave me alone

Pictures of matchstick men and you
Mirages of matchstick men and you
All I ever see is them and you

You're in the sky and with the sky
You make men cry, you lie
You're in the sky and with the sky
You make men cry, you lie

Pictures of matchstick men and
Pictures of matchstick men and you
Pictures of matchstick men ...."

iBoaterer[_3_] September 20th 13 04:04 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:04:12 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

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What I said was that a business has the right to refuse service to
anyone they like, you said they didn't. That simply is not true.


It certainly didn't work for the woolworths in Montgomery.


Again, there is a specific reason for that. They could have refused
ANYONE, by simply refusing them. What you can't do is refuse someone for
certain specific reasons.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 20th 13 04:07 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:06:18 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

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A case in point. In Ft Myers there was a restaurant with 4 or 5 tables
on a small elevated platform in back that was not accessible. There
were dozens of tables in the same room that were accessible, same
food, same service. The owner was sued out of existence because he
would not remove 12 or more tables to build a ramp.


Wow. Some businessman there.
Remove "12 of more tables to build a ramp" when he can just eliminate
the "4 or 5 tables" on the platform.
Great business sense.


He dad already put in a new elevator to get handicapped people on the
roof and made a number of other accommodations. This was the last
straw.
So your answer was just to abandon a couple hundred square feet of a
small restaurant. Would the city stop collecting taxes on that
footage?

Probably cheaped out on refrigeration, food sanitation, and restroom
cleaning too.


Why would you assume that? You sound like you are just making **** up
now., This was a very high dollar restaurant

The community is safer.
Where did you get that story? Some loonitarian website that has an
"ADA Atrocities" section?


It was all over the news here for over a year. It wasn't even a case
of local people complaining. It was an out of town action group,
driving around looking for something to complain about.


Every single seat in a restaurant has a profit potential of X amount of
dollars per hour. Being a crappy margin business anyway, doing away with
seats can easily be the demise of a restaurant.

iBoaterer[_3_] September 20th 13 04:08 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright
gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright
gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who
will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill
everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they
want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil
Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to
be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of
the guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total
asses.
Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After
the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a
lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the
business.

I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in
this case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and
within the rights of the business owner.


I've refused my business services just because I knew the person's
reputation and didn't want to get involved. Simple as that!

iBoaterer[_3_] September 20th 13 04:09 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 2:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

Sorry Harry. You are wrong on this one. I've booted people out of the
guitar shop who weren't violating any laws but were being total asses.
Not many, but a handful over the 4 plus years I had the shop. After
the first experience I checked the legality of my actions with a
lawyer. Perfectly legal, and within my rights as the owner of the
business.

I've also seen professionals banned from places of business .... in this
case not mine, but one I worked for. Again, perfectly legal and within
the rights of the business owner.




I said you couldn't discriminate for reasons that violated the law and,
also, I doubt your guitar show came under the umbrella of a public
accommodation.

Words are important.


I said that a business could refuse service to anybody they choose. That
is the statement to which you replied "uh, no".

iBoaterer[_3_] September 20th 13 04:11 PM

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 
In article 1691729774401306250.609265bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.


Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.


No they don't! You would still see Whites Only signs in Maryland.


OH, ****. I didn't say that could discriminate based on race. But I can
certainly refuse service to anyone I choose.


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