Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

In article , "Mr.
Luddite" says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote:

What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut?

Car nuts kill moire people

More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose.

Define "on purpose"

Speeding, failing to yield right of way, running red lights,
aggressive driving, driving drunk?


Oh, for ****'s sake. How many people do you think buy a damned car
thinking, I'm going to use this to kill someone.....?

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Probably about as many as people who buy a gun for the unique purpose
of killing someone.

OH, so all of those people who buy guns for "protection" equal the
number of people who buy cars with the intent to kill someone with it?

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/2013 8:00 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, why not?

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/2013 8:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...


On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:39:15 -0400, BAR wrote:

What is the difference between a car nut and a gun nut?

Car nuts kill moire people

More gun nuts kill on purpose than car nuts kill on purpose.

Define "on purpose"

Speeding, failing to yield right of way, running red lights,
aggressive driving, driving drunk?


Oh, for ****'s sake. How many people do you think buy a damned car
thinking, I'm going to use this to kill someone.....?

----------------------------

Probably about as many as people who buy a gun for the unique purpose of
killing someone.


Ask Krause why he sold all his 9mms and bought a 45.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.


You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or
personal business.

As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits
discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in
hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.

So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,
Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or
Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he
is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

In article , says...

On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.


You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or
personal business.

As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits
discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in
hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.

So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,
Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or
Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he
is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.

I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service
because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service,
as can any business refuse anyone service.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/2013 10:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

Uh nay to Your "Uh no"
The above statement is correct.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.


You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or
personal business.

As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits
discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in
hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.

So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,
Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or
Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he
is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.

I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service
because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service,
as can any business refuse anyone service.


I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg
episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public
accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer
remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no
matter what.

Higher gun ownership equals higher rate of homicide
 

In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 9/19/13 10:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 9/19/13 8:16 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 9/19/13 7:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

Perhaps the NRA doesn't give a **** one way or the other.


Just don't seem right letting NRA members, and honest, upright gun-
owners be treated like smokers.
Just don't seem right.
If the NRA won't stand up for the right for a legal and upright gun
owner to have a cup of coffee with his legal gun on his hip, who will?
Treating a gun-owner like you would a smoker! Disgraceful!
It ain't right, I'm telling you, it just ain't right.
What if somebody comes in to shoot the place up, and kill everybody?
Hell, that just happened in that DC Navy yard.
But I'm willing to give the NRA a chance here. It's still early.

Private businesses have the right to deny service to anyone they want.



Uh, no.

Uh, yes, as long as it's not in violation of any specific Civil Rights
law, i.e. racial discrimination, etc. Anyone can be determined to be
persona non grata at the discretion of the business owner if he/she
feels that person is or may be disruptive to the business.



That's right...you can't legally discriminate and therefore private
businesses do not have the right to deny service to anyone they want
without a reason that doesn't violate the law.

So, the answer remains, "Uh, no."

As a business person, I can refuse to do business with a person no
matter what. I don't have to take ANY job if I don't want to.


You have to think a bit wider than your immediate surrounding or
personal business.

As one example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits
discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in
hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
accommodations engaged in interstate commerce.

So, if you ran a diner, you could not legally refuse to serve blacks,
Jews, Armenians, et cetera, because they were black, Jewish, or
Armenian. You might be able to refuse service to PsychoSnotty because he
is an asshole, but I am not sure about that.

I can refuse them service if I so choose. I can't however refuse service
because of their ethnicity, etc. BUT, again, I can refuse them service,
as can any business refuse anyone service.


I don't want this to devolve into one of the usual iBoater-Gregg
episodes. Suffice it to say that your ability if you are in the public
accommodation business to refuse service is not absolute so the answer
remains, "Uh, no." You cannot refuse to do business with a person no
matter what.

Give me one example of someone wanting my services and a MUST say yes.