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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? --------------------------------------------------------- Same here in MA. As I mentioned to John in another post habitual use of drugs and/or alcohol can be cause for denial of a permit, but also every time you buy a firearm from a dealer, a form similar to the one you described .... probably the same one .... must be filled out. It specifically asks about drug and alcohol abuse. |
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On 4/11/13 11:39 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? --------------------------------------------------------- Same here in MA. As I mentioned to John in another post habitual use of drugs and/or alcohol can be cause for denial of a permit, but also every time you buy a firearm from a dealer, a form similar to the one you described .... probably the same one .... must be filled out. It specifically asks about drug and alcohol abuse. I have a difficult time understanding why so many on the right so violently oppose just about anything that relates to throttling down gun violence. I don't accept the fact that "Americans are just plain violent and gun laws will never do anything to stop it." |
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/11/13 10:32 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:06:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Details at 11. Something is better than nothing! (I ****ing hope so anyway!) I must have missed the constitution amendment process? -------------------------------------- The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do. The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms. ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? Completion of the ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in Virginia. I would assume the same is true of Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same questions. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Maryland has its own form. Two pages, one for the applicant, one for the dealer. Similar and duplicative in many areas of federal form. Remember, in Maryland, the state police get involved in your app to buy a pistol. Well, that explains it then. Now I know why Maryland is such a safe state in which to reside. Well, except for certain parts, that is. If I were walking through PG County or B'more at night, I'd damn sure consider that a 'special circumstance'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I know this will be difficult for a racist bigot like you to understand, Herring, but there are some beautiful, rural areas of PG County that are much nicer than where you live but where decent people do live and aren't particularly impacted by street crime. We dine at a couple of locally owned restaurants in PG County, and never feel any "fear." Harry, must you always resort to name-calling. Does your continuous reference to the MS-13 gangs overrunning Fairfax County not make you just as much a racist bigot? I've driven through PG County quite often. You're right, there are some pretty, rural areas there. But, if my car broke down at 2AM in one of those pretty, rural areas, I'd definitely consider that a special circumstance! We've been in Baltimore many fine days and evenings in all parts of the city, and have never been accosted or even felt like we were under a threat. A few weeks ago, while returning home from National Airport one evening, the Suitland Parkway was blocked because of an accident, and we had to detour to a part of DC/Maryland you would consider dangerous. I got a bit lost and stopped at a convenience store/gas station to get out and ask for directions. I said "hi" to the guys milling around and they said "hi" back. No sweat. I think your white man's culture of privilege is blinding you. You are so brave! What a man, Harry. No wonder Donnie is so enthralled! Yes, I've been to Baltimore also. There are some beautiful spots in that fine town. There are also some spots I would not want to find myself at 2AM. But then again, I'm not you. Actually, it's the continuous reporting of the crime in PG County and B'more that's blinding me. I'm guessing the special circumstances were a walk in your back yard where all the 'critters' and the owls live. Hell, I can understand your having a round chambered under those 'special circumstances'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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"J Herring" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:16:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "J Herring" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. -------------------------------------- I don't know about other states but the gun permit application in MA has specific questions regarding drug addiction and/or a history of "habitual drunkenness" or treatment for alcohol abuse. There's a reason for that. I believe answering in the affirmative will disqualify the applicant for a permit. They may qualify following a treatment program and a doctor's statement that the person has successfully been drug or alcohol free for a period of 5 years. Both addictions are considered to be mental health issues. Having had some up close and personal experience in the past year with an alcoholic who we were finally able to get into a program for recovery, I can completely support that restriction. Drug and alcohol addiction can totally change a person into someone you would never recognize. Seems silly. A recovering alcoholic, one who's not had a drink for over five years, let's say, would need a doctor to attest to that? How the hell would a doctor know? The Form 4473 has a similar question about addiction to marijuana, narcotics, etc. It would be very easy for a slightly less than honest person to simply say 'no'. Unless there were some record or conviction, he 'd get away with it. I've gone through the same experience you have with an alcoholic. The individual, a brother, has been sober for several years now. I wouldn't hesitate to let him buy a firearm. He's also a retired cop. -------------------------------------------------------- Silly? When you think your brother was mentally responsible enough to own firearms? A month or two into his recovery? A year? I guess it depends on the circumstances, but it's the reason the question is asked on the questionnaires. Sure, if you lie you might get away with it until it catches up with you. That's a crime also. The experience we had was one of the most difficult times I've had in my life. The person was hell bent on self-destruction due to many issues and pressures and his personality completely changed, often ugly. It finally started to take a turn for the better when I happened to visit to check up on him and found him in an alcohol induced coma. He was going into respiratory failure and I had to shake and slap him around until the paramedics arrived to keep him breathing. His blood alcohol level was measured at the hospital at 450 (.45 in more common terminology). .08 is the level normally considered to be "drunk". Anything over .35 (or 350) is considered a lethal dose. |
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On 4/11/13 12:02 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:32 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:06:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Details at 11. Something is better than nothing! (I ****ing hope so anyway!) I must have missed the constitution amendment process? -------------------------------------- The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do. The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms. ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? Completion of the ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in Virginia. I would assume the same is true of Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same questions. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Maryland has its own form. Two pages, one for the applicant, one for the dealer. Similar and duplicative in many areas of federal form. Remember, in Maryland, the state police get involved in your app to buy a pistol. Well, that explains it then. Now I know why Maryland is such a safe state in which to reside. Well, except for certain parts, that is. If I were walking through PG County or B'more at night, I'd damn sure consider that a 'special circumstance'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I know this will be difficult for a racist bigot like you to understand, Herring, but there are some beautiful, rural areas of PG County that are much nicer than where you live but where decent people do live and aren't particularly impacted by street crime. We dine at a couple of locally owned restaurants in PG County, and never feel any "fear." Harry, must you always resort to name-calling. Does your continuous reference to the MS-13 gangs overrunning Fairfax County not make you just as much a racist bigot? I've driven through PG County quite often. You're right, there are some pretty, rural areas there. But, if my car broke down at 2AM in one of those pretty, rural areas, I'd definitely consider that a special circumstance! No, John, they don't. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but...the MS-13 gangsters are not of any particular race. As to your car breaking down at 2 AM, you might consider doing what I would do: I call AAA. We've been in Baltimore many fine days and evenings in all parts of the city, and have never been accosted or even felt like we were under a threat. A few weeks ago, while returning home from National Airport one evening, the Suitland Parkway was blocked because of an accident, and we had to detour to a part of DC/Maryland you would consider dangerous. I got a bit lost and stopped at a convenience store/gas station to get out and ask for directions. I said "hi" to the guys milling around and they said "hi" back. No sweat. I think your white man's culture of privilege is blinding you. You are so brave! What a man, Harry. No wonder Donnie is so enthralled! Yes, I've been to Baltimore also. There are some beautiful spots in that fine town. There are also some spots I would not want to find myself at 2AM. But then again, I'm not you. Actually, it's the continuous reporting of the crime in PG County and B'more that's blinding me. I'm guessing the special circumstances were a walk in your back yard where all the 'critters' and the owls live. Hell, I can understand your having a round chambered under those 'special circumstances'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. You're an asshole, Herring. No racial epithet needed. |
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J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:32 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:06:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Details at 11. Something is better than nothing! (I ****ing hope so anyway!) I must have missed the constitution amendment process? -------------------------------------- The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do. The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms. ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? Completion of the ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in Virginia. I would assume the same is true of Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same questions. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Maryland has its own form. Two pages, one for the applicant, one for the dealer. Similar and duplicative in many areas of federal form. Remember, in Maryland, the state police get involved in your app to buy a pistol. Well, that explains it then. Now I know why Maryland is such a safe state in which to reside. Well, except for certain parts, that is. If I were walking through PG County or B'more at night, I'd damn sure consider that a 'special circumstance'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I know this will be difficult for a racist bigot like you to understand, Herring, but there are some beautiful, rural areas of PG County that are much nicer than where you live but where decent people do live and aren't particularly impacted by street crime. We dine at a couple of locally owned restaurants in PG County, and never feel any "fear." Harry, must you always resort to name-calling. Does your continuous reference to the MS-13 gangs overrunning Fairfax County not make you just as much a racist bigot? I've driven through PG County quite often. You're right, there are some pretty, rural areas there. But, if my car broke down at 2AM in one of those pretty, rural areas, I'd definitely consider that a special circumstance! We've been in Baltimore many fine days and evenings in all parts of the city, and have never been accosted or even felt like we were under a threat. A few weeks ago, while returning home from National Airport one evening, the Suitland Parkway was blocked because of an accident, and we had to detour to a part of DC/Maryland you would consider dangerous. I got a bit lost and stopped at a convenience store/gas station to get out and ask for directions. I said "hi" to the guys milling around and they said "hi" back. No sweat. I think your white man's culture of privilege is blinding you. You are so brave! What a man, Harry. No wonder Donnie is so enthralled! Yes, I've been to Baltimore also. There are some beautiful spots in that fine town. There are also some spots I would not want to find myself at 2AM. But then again, I'm not you. Actually, it's the continuous reporting of the crime in PG County and B'more that's blinding me. I'm guessing the special circumstances were a walk in your back yard where all the 'critters' and the owls live. Hell, I can understand your having a round chambered under those 'special circumstances'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. It must be awful to be as afraid of people as you are. |
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:53:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/11/13 11:39 AM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? --------------------------------------------------------- Same here in MA. As I mentioned to John in another post habitual use of drugs and/or alcohol can be cause for denial of a permit, but also every time you buy a firearm from a dealer, a form similar to the one you described .... probably the same one .... must be filled out. It specifically asks about drug and alcohol abuse. I have a difficult time understanding why so many on the right so violently oppose just about anything that relates to throttling down gun violence. I don't accept the fact that "Americans are just plain violent and gun laws will never do anything to stop it." Actually, the reasons are the same as the ones used by those on the left who oppose just about .....etc. If you call something a fact, what is there to not accept about it? It is a fact that there are some crazy-assed folks out there who will kill people - with guns or not with guns. A majority of those on the right, including a majority of NRA members, agree with the background checks. Many of the other laws, such as the majority of the rules passed by Maryland, are simply stupid. They'd have done nothing to prevent the last child massacre. However, a janitor with a concealed carry permit could have prevented it. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:15:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/11/13 12:02 PM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:32 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:06:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Details at 11. Something is better than nothing! (I ****ing hope so anyway!) I must have missed the constitution amendment process? -------------------------------------- The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do. The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms. ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? Completion of the ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in Virginia. I would assume the same is true of Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same questions. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Maryland has its own form. Two pages, one for the applicant, one for the dealer. Similar and duplicative in many areas of federal form. Remember, in Maryland, the state police get involved in your app to buy a pistol. Well, that explains it then. Now I know why Maryland is such a safe state in which to reside. Well, except for certain parts, that is. If I were walking through PG County or B'more at night, I'd damn sure consider that a 'special circumstance'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I know this will be difficult for a racist bigot like you to understand, Herring, but there are some beautiful, rural areas of PG County that are much nicer than where you live but where decent people do live and aren't particularly impacted by street crime. We dine at a couple of locally owned restaurants in PG County, and never feel any "fear." Harry, must you always resort to name-calling. Does your continuous reference to the MS-13 gangs overrunning Fairfax County not make you just as much a racist bigot? I've driven through PG County quite often. You're right, there are some pretty, rural areas there. But, if my car broke down at 2AM in one of those pretty, rural areas, I'd definitely consider that a special circumstance! No, John, they don't. Perhaps you are not aware of this, but...the MS-13 gangsters are not of any particular race. Maybe you should read up on them a little. Although, I'm sure you knew they were mostly central Americans. Note also that PG County, MD, gets a mention right up there with Fairfax County. "Mara Salvatrucha (commonly abbreviated as MS, Mara, and MS-13) is a transnational criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles and has spread to other parts of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America.[6] The majority of the gang is ethnically composed of Central Americans and active in urban and suburban areas. In the U.S., the MS-13 has an especially heavy presence in Los Angeles County and the San Francisco Bay Area in Northern California; the Washington, D.C. metropolitan areas of Fairfax County, Virginia, Montgomery County, Maryland, and Prince George's County, Maryland; Long Island, New York; the Boston, Massachusetts area; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Houston, Texas." As to your car breaking down at 2 AM, you might consider doing what I would do: I call AAA. Yes, a couple hour wait with the MS-13 folks looking for a car would be fun! We've been in Baltimore many fine days and evenings in all parts of the city, and have never been accosted or even felt like we were under a threat. A few weeks ago, while returning home from National Airport one evening, the Suitland Parkway was blocked because of an accident, and we had to detour to a part of DC/Maryland you would consider dangerous. I got a bit lost and stopped at a convenience store/gas station to get out and ask for directions. I said "hi" to the guys milling around and they said "hi" back. No sweat. I think your white man's culture of privilege is blinding you. You are so brave! What a man, Harry. No wonder Donnie is so enthralled! Yes, I've been to Baltimore also. There are some beautiful spots in that fine town. There are also some spots I would not want to find myself at 2AM. But then again, I'm not you. Actually, it's the continuous reporting of the crime in PG County and B'more that's blinding me. I'm guessing the special circumstances were a walk in your back yard where all the 'critters' and the owls live. Hell, I can understand your having a round chambered under those 'special circumstances'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. You're an asshole, Herring. No racial epithet needed. Because I guessed the 'special circumstances'? Damn, Harry, you're hard! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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On 11 Apr 2013 16:23:45 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:
J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:50:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:32 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 10:12 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:26 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/11/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:19:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:06:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Details at 11. Something is better than nothing! (I ****ing hope so anyway!) I must have missed the constitution amendment process? -------------------------------------- The Constitution says you have the right to bear arms and you do. The Constitution says we all have the right to keep and bear arms. ------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that right also extends to convicted felons, people with serious mental health issues, alcoholics and drug addicts? The Constitution does not exclude them. But then again, a convicted felon forfeited some of his rights. Those with serious mental health issues could easily be considered a danger to themselves and/or society. Alcoholics and drug addicts? How would that he controlled. I doubt if AA or NA are going to provide lists of members. And besides, members don't 'sign up' or register to be a member. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I don't know what the regs are in a loose state like Virginia, but in Maryland if you are buying a firearm, you have to fill out a questionnaire for the state police on which you state under criminal penalties whether you are of legal age, whether you are engaging in a straw purchase, whether you've been convicted of a crime of violence, whether you've been convicted of a misdemeanor act of domestic violence, whether you are the respondent in a protective order, whether you've been committed to a mental institution, whether you are a habitual drunkard, et cetera. Say yes to any of 'em and your app is denied and you might get arrested. Anyone here a heavy drinker? Completion of the ATF Form 4473 is a requirement in Virginia. I would assume the same is true of Maryland, as it's a Federal form. But who knows? Maryland may have its own form which asks the same questions. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. Maryland has its own form. Two pages, one for the applicant, one for the dealer. Similar and duplicative in many areas of federal form. Remember, in Maryland, the state police get involved in your app to buy a pistol. Well, that explains it then. Now I know why Maryland is such a safe state in which to reside. Well, except for certain parts, that is. If I were walking through PG County or B'more at night, I'd damn sure consider that a 'special circumstance'! Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. I know this will be difficult for a racist bigot like you to understand, Herring, but there are some beautiful, rural areas of PG County that are much nicer than where you live but where decent people do live and aren't particularly impacted by street crime. We dine at a couple of locally owned restaurants in PG County, and never feel any "fear." Harry, must you always resort to name-calling. Does your continuous reference to the MS-13 gangs overrunning Fairfax County not make you just as much a racist bigot? I've driven through PG County quite often. You're right, there are some pretty, rural areas there. But, if my car broke down at 2AM in one of those pretty, rural areas, I'd definitely consider that a special circumstance! We've been in Baltimore many fine days and evenings in all parts of the city, and have never been accosted or even felt like we were under a threat. A few weeks ago, while returning home from National Airport one evening, the Suitland Parkway was blocked because of an accident, and we had to detour to a part of DC/Maryland you would consider dangerous. I got a bit lost and stopped at a convenience store/gas station to get out and ask for directions. I said "hi" to the guys milling around and they said "hi" back. No sweat. I think your white man's culture of privilege is blinding you. You are so brave! What a man, Harry. No wonder Donnie is so enthralled! Yes, I've been to Baltimore also. There are some beautiful spots in that fine town. There are also some spots I would not want to find myself at 2AM. But then again, I'm not you. Actually, it's the continuous reporting of the crime in PG County and B'more that's blinding me. I'm guessing the special circumstances were a walk in your back yard where all the 'critters' and the owls live. Hell, I can understand your having a round chambered under those 'special circumstances'. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. It must be awful to be as afraid of people as you are. Well, I've never walked around with a round chambered because of 'special circumstances' - at least in this country anyway. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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