In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed..
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.

On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm

As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out.

On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm

As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out.



Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare
them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work.

On 6/19/2012 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

When you get to the level Harry's sweetheart is, they publish her salary
on the internet. Talk about invasion of privacy.

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

On 6/19/12 12:16 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss
this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is
officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I
polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities...
without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed
to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can,
and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to
discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their
direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with
reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

JustSnot is speaking from his years of executive experience as a
warehouse worker for a supermarket chain.