On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed..
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.

On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake?

I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera,
industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers,
since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most
boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He
certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff
for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in
cash assets.

Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works.

Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most
of your buddies, is just appalling.

You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had
researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I
think I will!



No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an
"excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a
7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy
and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as
Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you
claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's
ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either.

Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy.

Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do
have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As
for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is
your buddy Don!



Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to
find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC
fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's
genius wife, eh?

Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said
that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite
easy.



snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his
"wife" was researching it.

On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm

As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake?

I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera,
industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers,
since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most
boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He
certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff
for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in
cash assets.

Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works.

Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most
of your buddies, is just appalling.

You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had
researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I
think I will!



No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an
"excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a
7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy
and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as
Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you
claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's
ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either.

Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy.

Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do
have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As
for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is
your buddy Don!



Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to
find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC
fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's
genius wife, eh?

Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said
that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite
easy.



snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his
"wife" was researching it.

Well, right here is where I started:

http://marine1fdny.com/

Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the
information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut
everybody up who doesn't believe it!!

On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:31:24 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/jobcen...ary-talk_x.htm

As the article say, like it or not, clear expectations are set by many, if not most companies that salaries are kept private. You won't find it in the employee handbook (as it's illegal to have this "rule") but it's still clearly communicated. Most people find it in their best interest not to talk about it, again as the article points out.



Whatever the "expectation" is, people talk about their salaries, compare
them with their friends within and outside of the place where they work.

On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake?

I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera,
industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers,
since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most
boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He
certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff
for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in
cash assets.

Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works.

Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most
of your buddies, is just appalling.

You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had
researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I
think I will!



No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an
"excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a
7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy
and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as
Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you
claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's
ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either.

Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy.

Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do
have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As
for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is
your buddy Don!



Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to
find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC
fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's
genius wife, eh?

Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said
that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite
easy.



snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his
"wife" was researching it.

Well, right here is where I started:

http://marine1fdny.com/

Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the
information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut
everybody up who doesn't believe it!!



A. As a matter of principle, I rarely do what the trash here "wants" me
to do.

B. I don't care whether the trash "shuts up."

C. I already have all the "proof" I need.

On 6/19/12 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:47:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 6/18/12 9:48 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:48:22 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

This sounds like "rote learning and memorization" to me: "18 weeks of a
8 hour a day school is equal to about 48 credit hours of
college in classroom time." Not much time to think about what you are
learning and contemplating possibilities.

This was a little different than the set it and forget it education
you get in regular schools. We lived this stuff. I had a side gig
tutoring a couple of the E5s that were in a rate change and
struggling. I wasn't paid but I got good duty.
Those boys were scared because the penalty for failing was a lot worse
for them. I spent a couple hours a night going over the day with
them.. They got me into Cappy's White Horse tavern for a beer after.
I also did not have to get up in the morning for jumping jacks.



The "set it and forget it education you get in regular schools"? Sorry,
I missed out on attending those sorts of schools. I remember a lot of
what I was taught in high school and most of what was covered in my
classes in college, and all my life I've built on that knowledge base.

The public schools I attended (DC and PG county) were not that great
but still better than they are today.
In Florida, when less than half the kids passed the FCAT, they simply
regraded the tests to a lower standard.
This is after 3 years of teachers complaining that they were only
"teaching the test"


The
class was taught in one of the oldest buildings on campus, a large
structure built shortly after the Civil War. The steam pipe heating
system really cranked on those cold winter mornings, and many of us
wondered if they would explode and kill us all before we finished the
"required" class, or, if we survived, whether we'd have to repeat the
class in another building.

We had steam radiator heat in my high school too. They were hissing
and banging all day.



I blame parents more than any other factor for the poor performance of
their kids in school.

On 6/19/2012 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officiallydiscouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without anexception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has,led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report'ssalaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

That was certainly true at IBM and Centex where my wife worked.

I do understand why when it is a merit based pay system. The good guys
make a whole lot more than the marginal guys.

it's the way it is everywhere. harry is just trying desperately to cover
for yet another lie...

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:26 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 6/19/12 11:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/19/12 8:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

Angry? With the worthless buttbuddy of JustaSnake?

I suppose you really have no idea of how the car, boat, et cetera,
industry works at the retail level. I don't recall the exact numbers,
since the boat store sale was close to four decades ago, but like most
boat dealers, my dad floorplanned his boat and motor inventory. He
certainly didn't have $3 million of his own money tied up in that stuff
for many reasons, the most likely being he didn't have $3 million in
cash assets.

Ask some responsible adult you might know how floor planning works.

Crikey, the "intellectual" level in here, as presented by you and most
of your buddies, is just appalling.

You DID have a good idea, though, when you said that someone had
researched the NYFD to see if your father did get a fireboat welcome! I
think I will!



No need to do that...just ask your wife, the one you claimed was an
"excellent" researcher, even though it was obvious she couldn't find a
7-11 in a phone book. Oh, wait...even though you claim you aren't Loogy
and what you write and what passes for your thoughts are the same as
Loogy's, and you claim you don't live in Georgia, like Loogy, and you
claim you don't have a wife and daughter, and you're not JustSnotty's
ying-yang butt brother, you aren't capable of doing real research, either.

Go play with the other numnutz boys here, little boy.

Well, gee, while NOTHING you've written above is true about me, I do
have two friends in the NYFD. I'll make a phone call today, thanks! As
for the "other numnutz boys", you're the king of them. The "other" is
your buddy Don!



Yes, I'm *sure* your "two friends in the NYFD" are going to be able to
find detailed records of every non-important event involving NYC
fireboats that occurred half a century ago. D'oh. Better ask Loogy's
genius wife, eh?

Well, I've already contacted the historian. Very gracious lady, and said
that they keep thorough logs and always have so that it should be quite
easy.



snerk That's exactly what dumb**** Loogy said during his claim his
"wife" was researching it.

Well, right here is where I started:

http://marine1fdny.com/

Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU contact them and get the
information about your father's fireboat welcome? THAT would really shut
everybody up who doesn't believe it!!



A. As a matter of principle, I rarely do what the trash here "wants" me
to do.

B. I don't care whether the trash "shuts up."

C. I already have all the "proof" I need.

Yep, exactly as suspected, you are a liar, and have always been a liar,
and always will be a liar.