On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...x_tlimit=10000

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.


Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.

On 4/5/2012 8:56 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle
the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that
people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...x_tlimit=10000


"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.


Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.


I have always looked at those folks, the same way I would somebody
holding a gun to my kids head... Just sayin'.

On Apr 5, 9:38*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:





Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Only an inconsiderate asshole would consider towing at 130%.

If I was you I'd worry more about getting my family out of debt than
what someone 'may or may not consider doing.
Just sayin'..........

On Apr 5, 10:15*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:56 PM, X ` Man wrote:





On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle
the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that
people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.

I have always looked at those folks, the same way I would somebody
holding a gun to my kids head... Just sayin'.

Do you threaten to kill each & every one of them too?
You must be a good example for the kiddies.

On 4/5/2012 9:43 PM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 5, 9:38 pm, wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:





Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Only an inconsiderate asshole would consider towing at 130%.

If I was you I'd worry more about getting my family out of debt than
what someone 'may or may not consider doing.
Just sayin'..........


Yeah, maybe you should have been paying attention to your mom in her
last days, instead of stalking me... Did she die alone?

On 4/5/2012 9:45 PM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 5, 10:15 pm, wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:56 PM, X ` Man wrote:





On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle
the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that
people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.

I have always looked at those folks, the same way I would somebody
holding a gun to my kids head... Just sayin'.

Do you threaten to kill each& every one of them too?
You must be a good example for the kiddies.

Is this what you live for... Mom must have been so proud of her little
weasel...

On Apr 5, 10:53*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 4/5/2012 9:45 PM, North Star wrote:





On Apr 5, 10:15 pm, *wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:56 PM, X ` Man wrote:

On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, *wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, *wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
*wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North *wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy *wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
*wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy *wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
*wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat....
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble....
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle
the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that
people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.

I have always looked at those folks, the same way I would somebody
holding a gun to my kids head... Just sayin'.

Do you threaten to kill each& *every one of them too?
You must be a good example for the kiddies.

Is this what you live for... Mom must have been so proud of her little
weasel...

I'd love to talk to Inky and find out what went wrong.
I'd bet $500. that you were adopted.

On 4/5/2012 6:52 PM, JustWait wrote:
Yeah, maybe you should have been paying attention to your mom in her
last days, instead of stalking me... Did she die alone?

Are you proud of that?

On 4/5/2012 10:14 PM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 5, 10:53 pm, wrote:
On 4/5/2012 9:45 PM, North Star wrote:





On Apr 5, 10:15 pm, wrote:
On 4/5/2012 8:56 PM, X ` Man wrote:

On 4/5/12 8:24 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:19:47 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due
to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in
this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class
boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs
the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4
is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until
I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat...
and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle
the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that
people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to
trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing
capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where
they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...ch&yr=2012&mak...

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as
though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package
contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity,
heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil
cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd
be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course,
trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole
lot either.

5000# isn't that much in the towing world. The trailer brakes are
assumed to be working, I'm sure.
You're correct. But, the Highlander isn't much in the 'tower' world
either! I can't see that the tow
package has done much to really improve the handling characteristics
of the Highlander.

And, if one is willing to tow 130% of capacity, how much time do you
think the fool would spend
keeping the trailer brakes in working order?
That would be insane.

Considering the high speeds at which I've seen drivers towing huge boats
and travel trailers down the Interstate, I wonder whether brake
condition will be much of a factor in stopping. They aren't likely to
stop before they smash into the cars in front of them.

I have always looked at those folks, the same way I would somebody
holding a gun to my kids head... Just sayin'.

Do you threaten to kill each& every one of them too?
You must be a good example for the kiddies.

Is this what you live for... Mom must have been so proud of her little
weasel...

I'd love to talk to Inky and find out what went wrong.
I'd bet $500. that you were adopted.

Why bet? That was established years ago and you brought it up right
after Harry sent you the stalker reports. Are you really that hard up
for money?

On 4/5/2012 10:35 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/5/2012 6:52 PM, JustWait wrote:
Yeah, maybe you should have been paying attention to your mom in her
last days, instead of stalking me... Did she die alone?

Are you proud of that?

About as proud as him sitting there putting out the info he got from the
stalker report...