On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:41:40 -0400, Earl wrote:

Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
5000# with the towing package:

http://trailerboats.com/towrating/in...x_tlimit=10000

"That wasn't around when my wife got her Highlander. It appears as though an optional towing package
raises the tow rating to 5000lbs. Here is what the tow package contains:

V6 Towing Prep Package [14] -- includes 5000-lb. towing capacity, heavy-duty radiator with engine
oil cooler, 200-watt fan coupling, supplemental transmission oil cooler and 150-amp alternator/

That sounds pretty good, but it doesn't do much to help braking. I'd be afraid of getting shoved
down the road by my trailer if I had 5000lbs pushing me. Of course, trailer brakes would be
mandatory at that weight, but I wouldn't trust those buggers a whole lot either.

On Apr 3, 8:53*pm, Earl wrote:
North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:14 am, Happy *wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North *wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North *wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy *wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North *wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy *wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North *wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the 40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e * 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). *Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean, instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
Moving up to a used V6 Highlander might be the way to go. Towing capacity's up around 3500lbs, I
believe. Probably get a decent trade-in. With gas prices where they are you'd probably get a pretty
decent price for the Rav4.
I liked the size of the last generation of Highlander... just a bit
bigger than the current RAV4. *(new ones are too big)
Our self service regular gas is $1.42 per liter... about $5.37 for
your US gallon. Pays to 'think small'.

Are there any boating clubs in your area? *Something like this...

http://freedomboatclub.com/

Closest would be in Mass..... a 1.5 day drive for me.

On 4/3/2012 7:36 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the
40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I
reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
I frequently see people towing as much as 400% to 500% of vehicle
rating, but that is very FLAT land with no curves or stops and the tow
does not exceed ONE mile. There are other ramp issues and the ability
to see the tow when turning, too....

A normal tow usage would be up to the manufacturers rating, but not
over. The further under the manufacturers rating the easier the tow.

General towing at 133% or 150% would be suicide and would likely
result in a citation for careless and reckless, etc.

Get a REAL tow vehicle and protect yourself, your family, and others.
Insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident. If someone was
killed as a result of this negligence, it would be costly.

If it was my family member, it would cost him his life...

On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.

===

Not a good idea without a Florida Concealed Carry Permit.

On 4/4/12 1:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.

===

Not a good idea without a Florida Concealed Carry Permit.


As if it was hard to get one...

On 4/3/12 11:14 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/3/2012 7:36 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to
my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the
40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is
rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I
reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble...
sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
I frequently see people towing as much as 400% to 500% of vehicle
rating, but that is very FLAT land with no curves or stops and the tow
does not exceed ONE mile. There are other ramp issues and the ability
to see the tow when turning, too....

A normal tow usage would be up to the manufacturers rating, but not
over. The further under the manufacturers rating the easier the tow.

General towing at 133% or 150% would be suicide and would likely
result in a citation for careless and reckless, etc.

Get a REAL tow vehicle and protect yourself, your family, and others.
Insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident. If someone was
killed as a result of this negligence, it would be costly.

If it was my family member, it would cost him his life...


Another in the ongoing series of "Big Mouth, No Balls" comments from the
Little Toadman.

In article ,
says...

On 03/04/2012 6:54 AM, North Star wrote:
On Apr 3, 9:14 am, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:14:49 -0400, Wayne B

wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.

What to do?

===

Get a real man's truck?

That's what I'm thinking, too. A full size Chevy 1500 4X4 will tow
10,000# and still get an unloaded 22 MPG on the Hwy.

Then you can get a real boat, too.

That seems like a big expense for a retired working class hero who
enjoys a short 4-5 month boating season..

Less than that.

Well, he may have gotten a monetary windfall recently.

In article , says...

On 4/3/2012 7:36 PM, Earl wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:





On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the
40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I
reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
I frequently see people towing as much as 400% to 500% of vehicle
rating, but that is very FLAT land with no curves or stops and the tow
does not exceed ONE mile. There are other ramp issues and the ability
to see the tow when turning, too....

A normal tow usage would be up to the manufacturers rating, but not
over. The further under the manufacturers rating the easier the tow.

General towing at 133% or 150% would be suicide and would likely
result in a citation for careless and reckless, etc.

Get a REAL tow vehicle and protect yourself, your family, and others.
Insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident. If someone was
killed as a result of this negligence, it would be costly.

If it was my family member, it would cost him his life...

You sure do like to threaten to kill people alot lately.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

True story... a working mate of my wife was visiting friends in
Florida. The host insisted that the Halifax lady's boyfriend 'borrow'
his handgun if he planned on driving around on his own.

===

Not a good idea without a Florida Concealed Carry Permit.

It was bull****, unless the dude lived in the ghetto of Miami or some
other large city ghetto.

On Apr 4, 12:14*am, JustWait wrote:
On 4/3/2012 7:36 PM, Earl wrote:





wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:22:29 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:14 pm, North wrote:
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Happy wrote:

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:59:44 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:44 pm, Happy wrote:
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT), North
wrote:
I was pretty well settled on a new 'Legend 15 AllSport' due to my 4
cyl RAV4's low tow rating of 1500 lbs.
Lately I've been looking at the construction methods used in this
model and the superior methods used in a higher class boat... the
'Legend 16 Xcalibre'
For an additional $3400. + add'l taxes of about $500., I can
upgrade
to a bigger, heavier boat with a 50hp 4 stroke Mercury vs the
40hp I
was planning on with the smaller boat.
Besides the additional cost of about $3900... I would be
overloading
my tow capacity by 500 lbs... about 33% more than the RAV4 is rated
for.
i.e 2000 lbs vs about 1300 for the smaller boat.
What to do?
I can drop a few pounds by keeping the gas tank empty until I
reach my
destination.. and not loading much into the bigger boat... and by
towing at a 90km speed (55 mph). Am I asking for trouble... sure do
like all the extra options.. such as bigger motor, stronger
construction, bigger boat for about 80% use on the ocean,
instruments
and a built in swim platform/ladder.
see the windshield models on the website..
http://legendboats.com/
Pulling a load of over 150% of your rated capacity would be
simply stupid. Hard to believe you asked
the question.
What the %$^&^%?
I thought you claimed to be a math teacher?
I figure it as roughly 133%
Multiply 1300 times 1.50 (150%) and see what you get.
1st you have to tell me where the 1300 figure comes from.
Never mind...I see you took the 15 AllSport's weight to be my
vehicle's tow rating... it's not!
The 4 cyl RAV4 is rated for 1500 lbs.
At this point i have the local dealer saying no.. I can't handle the
bigger boat and a rep from the manufacturers site saying that people
he knows are doing it.
If I remember correctly... a safe tow is actually only 80% of your
vehicle's rating... that would be a puny 1200 lbs.
Guess I should have purchased the V6 version of the RAV4.... mmm
wonder what deals Toyota is offering these days.
I have about 20K on my 3 year old 'truck' .... might be time to trade
up.
I frequently see people towing as much as 400% to 500% of vehicle
rating, but that is very FLAT land with no curves or stops and the tow
does not exceed ONE mile. There are other ramp issues and the ability
to see the tow when turning, too....

A normal tow usage would be up to the manufacturers rating, but not
over. The further under the manufacturers rating the easier the tow.

General towing at 133% or 150% would be suicide and would likely
result in a citation for careless and reckless, etc.

Get a REAL tow vehicle and protect yourself, your family, and others.
Insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident. If someone was
killed as a result of this negligence, it would be costly.

If it was my family member, it would cost him his life...

Are you threatening to 'kill someone', MidgetMan?
Might be time to update the South Windsor Police to your criminally
insane activities.