In article ,
says...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:29:00 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote:

This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my
right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in
this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd.

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Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP
holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general
consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your
Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses
make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever
and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a
suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his
vehicle.

But that's not what FOX told the viewers.....

Most of us, excluding yourself of course, don't spend our life watching FOX News. I've no idea what
they're saying over there. Apparently you're well versed in it. Good for you, I guess.

Take care, Fred. I'll probably plonk you now.

Liar.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just
wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way.

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My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip
either literally or figuratively.

I've not heard that either, except from liberals supposedly quoting conservatives.

Don't stay up on current events much except to defend Zimmerman when FOX
tells you to eh, Asshole?

http://randomology.org/2012/03/fox-a...martin-had-it-
coming/

http://socialistworker.org/2012/03/2...d-in-the-media

On 3/31/2012 12:03 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:07:29 -0400,
wrote:

Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just
wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way.

===

My friends tend to be responsible adults who do not shoot fron the hip
either literally or figuratively.


I had no doubts...

On Mar 30, 9:22*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:

I'll be in the Orlando area after Easter to celebrate my sister's
birthday and goof off.

I'm really looking forward to it myself.

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.

On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote:

...I like this, a lot.

Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida

A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting
of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is
keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside
the state than it does Floridians.

According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011,
a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida
law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but
also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector.
The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and
meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman
legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all
those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for
the state.

In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean
Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems
and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with
a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just
90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the
cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal
Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three
percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to
withhold their dollars.

Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered
than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official
about it some time.)

If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after
controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will
have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns
down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the
tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's
government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and,
for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that
fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that
demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State.

By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can
affect change.

There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and
the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation,
neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon.
Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and
non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution
that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life.

HuffPost

Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty.

Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete.

More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd.

Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent?

Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third
suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the
upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html

But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue
for political gain.

--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing.

On 3/31/12 8:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X `
wrote:

...I like this, a lot.

Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida

A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting
of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is
keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside
the state than it does Floridians.

According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011,
a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida
law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but
also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector.
The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and
meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman
legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all
those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for
the state.

In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean
Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems
and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with
a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just
90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the
cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal
Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three
percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to
withhold their dollars.

Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered
than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official
about it some time.)

If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after
controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will
have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns
down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the
tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's
government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and,
for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that
fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that
demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State.

By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can
affect change.

There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and
the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation,
neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon.
Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and
non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution
that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life.

HuffPost

Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty.

Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not
even complete.

More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd.

Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent?

Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third
suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the
upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html


But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue
for political gain.



One of the many reasons why I don't take rec.boats seriously: the ****
poor reading comprehension skills of many of the posters, especially the
right wingers.

The original thread in this post called for tourists to consider
boycotting travel to Florida until the state got rid of its outrageous
"stand your ground" law.

The Herring idiot interprets that as "punish florida because zimmerman's
guilty." No, that's not the issue here.

The Canuck idiot is, well, just the usual bat**** crazy Canuck idiot.

Carry on.

In article , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.

No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.

In article ,
says...

On 30/03/2012 8:46 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote:

...I like this, a lot.

Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida

A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting
of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is
keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside
the state than it does Floridians.

According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011,
a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida
law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but
also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector.
The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and
meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman
legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all
those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for
the state.

In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean
Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems
and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with
a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just
90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the
cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal
Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three
percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to
withhold their dollars.

Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered
than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official
about it some time.)

If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after
controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will
have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns
down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the
tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's
government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and,
for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that
fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that
demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State.

By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can
affect change.

There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and
the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation,
neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon.
Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and
non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution
that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life.

HuffPost

Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty.

Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete.

More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd.

Zimmerman's guilt? Are we assuming guilty before innocent?

Second issue is the so called victim was currently on his third
suspension from school, for dope and vandalism issues. Hardly the
upstanding racist mongering Jackson would want to discuss.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/T...144403305.html

But then there are those that facts be damned, lets make it a race issue
for political gain.

Yes, the right wing instantly made it a racial issue. Hell, one of the
farthest to the right here was the first one to make it a race issue in
here.

On 4/1/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , lid says...

On 3/31/2012 8:02 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:13:58 -0400, Happy
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:00:25 -0500, Boating All wrote:

The guy brought it on himself when he decided to tote a gun, and play
cop.
What happened to him and what will happen to him flows from that
decision.

The innocent are convicted and the guilty freed all the time.
Anybody is welcome to advocate for either side.
But known facts are known facts.
Making up "facts" just makes those who do it look stupid.

Now that was pretty well said!

I agree.

As with most conflicts it is likely that both sides are wrong to varying
degree.

No, now FOX told Herring and JustWait that Zimmerman is innocent and
they MUST follow FOX.

OK I've had enough. It's tiresome pulling your chain when all that's
needed is a good tug and, Bye Bye, you're flushed.

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http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db