| Home |
| Search |
| Today's Posts |
|
#31
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 8:21 AM, wrote:
What law? Tell me how the Hold-Your-Ground Law even remotely applies in this case. JPS can't. Can you? If Martin sought to confront Zimmerman, you begin to have confusion and contributory stupidity. So, how did we get here? The police chief, Bill Lee refused to pursue charges citing a law that most assuredly DID NOT APPLY. I agree. This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. I am slightly right leaning and I say you are wrong on this point. -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
|
#33
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 10:50 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/31/2012 8:21 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:35:03 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/30/12 9:50 PM, wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:58:52 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/30/12 10:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. No, dummy...punish florida for its law. What law? Tell me how the Hold-Your-Ground Law even remotely applies in this case. JPS can't. Can you? Early on, the local prosecutors told the police to not arrest the shooter because they believed he had "stood his ground." The law emboldens imbeciles like Zimmerman and makes them think they can get away with homicide. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, state charges are brought against Zimmerman, considing that the state's attorney assigned to the case is a lackey of the right-wing extremist governor in Florida who assuredly does not want to run afoul of "the gun interests." That would be a big NO. This has been my problem from the beginning: the only way this appears to play out is that Zimmerman pursued Martin. That makes the hold-your-ground law a moot point. IT DOES NOT APPLY. If Martin sought to confront Zimmerman, you begin to have confusion and contributory stupidity. So, how did we get here? The police chief, Bill Lee refused to pursue charges citing a law that most assuredly DID NOT APPLY. IMHO, this is criminal nonfeasance or malfeasance of duty on the part of the chief of police. The police botched this from the beginning. The state is declining to comment on whether they refused to file charges. That should be an interesting disclosure. This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28...rge-zimmerman/ What is it with you folks only seeing one hypothetical that suits your own personal agendas? The law doesn't have a time limit. What if Zimmerman gave chase like everyone says, but what if after the initial contact, Zimmerman in the course of retreat to his car was attacked? At that point in time, Martin would be the aggressor, Zimmerman *could* be covered by the stand your ground rule? The fact is, we still don't know so smart folks aren't convicting him of anything yet. Especially when you consider the huge smear and cover job the media and Al Sharpton are pulling on us with old pictures, and mus-information... Then why are you so quick to defend Zimmerman? Look, it's really simple. What people are up in arms about is the TOTAL lack of investigation by the Sanford police. There is a procedure in place for investigations in which someone was shot to death. That procedure includes things like toxicology reports, tests to determine at what range the person was shot, and on and on. Couple that with the facts that the coroner saw NO signs of a struggle on Martin. Couple that with the fact that the kid was unarmed and just wanted some candy. Couple that with Zimmerman's racial slur on tape. And even with all of that, you continue to defend them because FOX tells you to. Don't you have a fence to hold up somewhere? -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
|
#34
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 10:58 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 3/31/2012 10:50 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 3/31/2012 8:21 AM, wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:35:03 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/30/12 9:50 PM, wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:58:52 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/30/12 10:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. No, dummy...punish florida for its law. What law? Tell me how the Hold-Your-Ground Law even remotely applies in this case. JPS can't. Can you? Early on, the local prosecutors told the police to not arrest the shooter because they believed he had "stood his ground." The law emboldens imbeciles like Zimmerman and makes them think they can get away with homicide. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, state charges are brought against Zimmerman, considing that the state's attorney assigned to the case is a lackey of the right-wing extremist governor in Florida who assuredly does not want to run afoul of "the gun interests." That would be a big NO. This has been my problem from the beginning: the only way this appears to play out is that Zimmerman pursued Martin. That makes the hold-your-ground law a moot point. IT DOES NOT APPLY. If Martin sought to confront Zimmerman, you begin to have confusion and contributory stupidity. So, how did we get here? The police chief, Bill Lee refused to pursue charges citing a law that most assuredly DID NOT APPLY. IMHO, this is criminal nonfeasance or malfeasance of duty on the part of the chief of police. The police botched this from the beginning. The state is declining to comment on whether they refused to file charges. That should be an interesting disclosure. This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28...rge-zimmerman/ What is it with you folks only seeing one hypothetical that suits your own personal agendas? The law doesn't have a time limit. What if Zimmerman gave chase like everyone says, but what if after the initial contact, Zimmerman in the course of retreat to his car was attacked? At that point in time, Martin would be the aggressor, Zimmerman *could* be covered by the stand your ground rule? The fact is, we still don't know so smart folks aren't convicting him of anything yet. Especially when you consider the huge smear and cover job the media and Al Sharpton are pulling on us with old pictures, and mus-information... Then why are you so quick to defend Zimmerman? Look, it's really simple. What people are up in arms about is the TOTAL lack of investigation by the Sanford police. There is a procedure in place for investigations in which someone was shot to death. That procedure includes things like toxicology reports, tests to determine at what range the person was shot, and on and on. Couple that with the facts that the coroner saw NO signs of a struggle on Martin. Couple that with the fact that the kid was unarmed and just wanted some candy. Couple that with Zimmerman's racial slur on tape. And even with all of that, you continue to defend them because FOX tells you to. Cool story bro... Don't you have a fence to hold up somewhere? |
|
#35
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
|
|
#36
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 10:52 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 3/31/2012 8:21 AM, wrote: What law? Tell me how the Hold-Your-Ground Law even remotely applies in this case. JPS can't. Can you? If Martin sought to confront Zimmerman, you begin to have confusion and contributory stupidity. So, how did we get here? The police chief, Bill Lee refused to pursue charges citing a law that most assuredly DID NOT APPLY. I agree. This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. I am slightly right leaning and I say you are wrong on this point. Not one person here indicated that Martin had it coming, didn't even suggest it. harry has no friends, harry certainly has no right leaning friends, and if he did, they certainly didn't say Martin had it coming. Not even one of them... |
|
#37
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
On 3/31/2012 11:00 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. |
|
#38
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , dump-on-
says... On 3/31/12 9:41 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On 3/30/12 10:46 AM, Happy John wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:22:21 -0400, X ` wrote: ...I like this, a lot. Travelers Can Save The Next Trayvon Martin By Avoiding Florida A crucial fact thus far left out of the debate surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin is that Florida's Stand Your Ground law, which is keeping George Zimmerman out of jail, affects more people from outside the state than it does Floridians. According to census data, 19,057,542 Americans lived in Florida in 2011, a year in which the state claims 85.9 million tourists visited. Florida law must, in short, not only protect the liberties of Floridians, but also the wellbeing of tourists and tourism, the state's largest sector. The piece of legislation allowing residents "to stand [their] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force," which left Zimmerman legally unencumbered to shoot an unarmed teen, has consequences for all those visitors. The law's existence also ought to have consequences for the state. In 2003, the advocacy group Oceana began a boycott of Royal Caribbean Cruises, demanding the company install wastewater purification systems and stop leaching toxins into the seas. Royal Caribbean, a company with a market cap over $6 billion, agreed to the changes after receiving just 90,000 pledges from cruisers who said they wouldn't book trips until the cruise giant quite literally cleaned up its act. That same year, Royal Caribbean took roughly 3 million people to sea, meaning a mere three percent of its customers affected a major policy shift by threatening to withhold their dollars. Because tourism is such a big business, travelers are more empowered than other sorts of consumers to make demands. (Ask a Burmese official about it some time.) If tourists boycott Florida -- as tourists boycotted Arizona after controversial legislation was enacted there in 2010 -- the state will have to choose between economic Russian roulette and putting the guns down altogether. As long as Florida depends on tourists' money -- to the tune of roughly 9.3 percent of G.D.P and a million jobs -- the state's government has a motivation to protect citizens of Oregon, Illinois and, for that matter, Brazil, Germany and Japan. A simple reminder of that fact might go a long way pushing politicians to eliminate a law that demonstrably endangers the safety of everyone in the Sunshine State. By pledging not to visit Florida (sorry Grandma), non-Floridians can affect change. There are major issues at play in the Trayvon Martin case -- race and the second amendment among them. Given the gravity of the situation, neither truth nor reconciliation are likely to arrive anytime soon. Still, supporting an immediate solution to an immediate and non-ideological problem could be the first step towards a resolution that, tragically, will never bring a young man back to life. HuffPost Punish Florida because Zimmerman's guilty. Oh wait, he's not been tried yet. In fact, the investigation's not even complete. More happy horse**** from the happy horse**** crowd. No, dummy...punish florida for its law. You mean punish Florida for allowing its citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. The 2nd Amendment and Florida's "stand your ground" law aren't the same thing. The 2nd Amendment does not say you can shoot kids walking through your neighborhood. The "stand your ground" law does, especially when there are no real witnesses around. The right to keep and bear arms has implicit within it the abiltiy to defend ones self from aggressors. Otherwise, why would there be a 2nd amendment? |
|
#39
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article ,
says... On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. But that's not what FOX told the viewers..... |
|
#40
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
A call for tourists to avoid Florida...
In article , says...
On 3/31/2012 11:00 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:21:53 -0400, wrote: This has nothing to do with "gun interests," but I do hear from my right-wing friends that Martin "had it coming." I see enough anger in this newsgroup to believe this attitude is endemic among that crowd. === Perhaps with some but certainly not all. Among the owners and CCP holders that I know, a fairly conservative group, there is a general consensus that Zimmerman over reached the bounds of both "Stand Your Ground" and the concealed carry laws. The required FL CCP courses make a major point that the permit confers no police power whatsoever and that CCP holders should *never* attempt to apprehend or detain a suspect. Zimmerman was out of line the moment he got out of his vehicle. Have you heard even one of your friends say "Martin had it coming"? Just wondering, because nobody I know thinks that way. Then why are you defending Zimmerman so fervently? |
| Reply |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Forum | |||
| crazy tourists | General | |||
| Avoid these compasses | ASA | |||
| Tourists | ASA | |||
| Marketing phrases to avoid.... | General | |||
| Another example to avoid following: | General | |||
Linear Mode
