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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:36:11 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:44:32 -0700, jps wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:03:20 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:03:00 -0700, jps wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:52:56 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote: The state that elected a crook for governor sets a new standard for stupidity *and* hypocrisy. Matthew Dowd, President George W. Bush’s former chief strategist, on Sunday observed that the same conservative legislatures and governors who are championing so-called Christian values like prayer in schools are also pushing for dangerous gun laws that are counter to Christian teachings. During a panel on ABC, “Nightline” anchor Terry Moran noted that Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law gave officials cover to not arrest neighborhood watch vigilante George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy. “No other state has a law like this,” Moran explained. “Not only is it a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law — in the olden days under common law you had a duty to retreat. ‘Stand Your Ground’ says, no, you don’t have to. Florida goes one step farther. ‘Stand Your Ground’ is self defense — defense at trial. It would go to trial where the jury would figure out what happened.” “In Florida, the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested,” he added. “It’s why prosecutors and police hated this law. It sabotaged our justice system. All this discussion we’ve heard — What did Zimmerman do? What did Trayvon do? — Juries are supposed to figure that out. The Florida law destroys that American system.” “There is such irony about this,” Dowd agreed. “Most of the states that have passed this including Florida and the ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws and the expanded gun-ownership laws where you can carry a concealed weapon are also the same states and the same legislatures and the same governors who sort of pushed for prayer in the school.” Dowd continued: “To me, there is such and irony here, that we want to be a Christian nation and we want to act in a Christian manner, but oh, by the way, we don’t believe in the turn your other cheek and we don’t believe in love your enemy. We believe in loading citizens and basically giving them an opportunity to shoot people.” First of all, it is no surprise that you are all over this and that you are twisting the facts and mis-stating reality to fit your anti-gun mania. Second, I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested" Third, I'd like for you to explain how " Juries are supposed to figure that out," before or during the fact. Maybe you think the way this should be handled is to let the criminal kill somebody and their family and then let the lawyers fight it out in court. Personally, I'll use my gun and then take my chances at being judged by 12 rather than carried by 6. You can chose the opposite, if you wish. Finally, If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show how the "Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in that case. I haven't twisted anything. The above recounting was a transcript of an interchange on a news program that featured GW Bush's former cheif strategist, who rightfully called out these bogus christians for promoting laws that protect people using guns to kill others. That was the only point. Feel free to lose your mind and connect whatever point you think I'm making to your fantasy scenarios but I won't be wasting my time arguing with your lame attempt at debate. You carefully avoided answering any of my questions regarding direct statements YOU made, not some pal of the inbred Bush family. I'll restate for your convenience: I'd like for you to cite where "the law says if you raise a claim of self defense after killing someone in public, you can’t even be arrested" If you believe that Trevon was murdered, feel free to show how the "Hold Your Ground" law even applies, in the remotest way, in that case. You should go speak with the police in Florida who wouldn't bring charges against someone who ended up killing a young man after pursuing him without reason or merit. Neither one of us know that. Were you there? They're the ones who assumed Zimmerman didn't need to be more thoroughly investigated. Their interpretation, not mine. **** poor police work.... And the quote you cite wasn't mine. You need to take a reading comprehension course. So, you take no responsibility for what you post? By posting I may endorse some or all of what someone else said but it's just food for thought. If I don't agree with every single snippet of every quote, I'm sure you'll forgive me. |
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