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Floriduh
On Monday, March 26, 2012 2:22:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend.. Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman, If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground case at all. The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not death)" Zimmerman sustained bodily harm. How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are consistent with that story. Witness says White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and getting pummeled Evidence shows Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose. Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call. I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric. It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we know now. Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him? Was his hoodie dirty? What was the bullet trajectory? Are there any more witnesses or even a video? At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far. I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is what it would be. The MSM just loves to sensationlize this kind of stuff, and they are good at it. Just look at the NG fish they have already convinced that the incident happened a certain way, when the facts are not even known yet. We had an infamous incident a few years ago where a young girl that had been missing for a few days suddenly showed up, claimimg to have been kidnapped and held at an underground bunker by some guy that lived nearby. The guy and the bunker were real, so the media declared him guilty on a dfaily basis and the general public demanded swift "justice". Only problem was... after some time went by and the investigation got serious, the girl's story fell apart. She finally admitted that she'd just run away from home, broke into the bunker, and hid out there until she realized she'd screwed up. So she fabricated the story and staged the "getaway" to cover her butt. Of course at that point, the guy was an outcast and had pretty much lost everything. At least they sold some papers and the evening news ratings went up. |
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Floriduh
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:22:41 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend. Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman, If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground case at all. The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not death)" Zimmerman sustained bodily harm. How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are consistent with that story. Witness says White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and getting pummeled Evidence shows Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose. Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call. I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric. It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we know now. Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him? Was his hoodie dirty? What was the bullet trajectory? Are there any more witnesses or even a video? At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far. I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is what it would be. All one needs to know is that Zimmerman pursued the eventual victim, after being told to stand down and wait for police. He was not sanctioned or working on behalf of any organized neighborhood program. He as carrying a weapon which is expressly forbiden by any neighborhood watch programs. This fat **** needed to stay in his car. A 17 year old kid would be alive and no one would want to skin his fat ass alive. |
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Floriduh
On 3/26/2012 4:48 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:22:41 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend. Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman, If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground case at all. The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not death)" Zimmerman sustained bodily harm. How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are consistent with that story. Witness says White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and getting pummeled Evidence shows Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose. Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call. I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric. It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we know now. Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him? Was his hoodie dirty? What was the bullet trajectory? Are there any more witnesses or even a video? At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far. I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is what it would be. All one needs to know is that Zimmerman pursued the eventual victim, after being told to stand down and wait for police. He was not sanctioned or working on behalf of any organized neighborhood program. He as carrying a weapon which is expressly forbiden by any neighborhood watch programs. This fat **** needed to stay in his car. A 17 year old kid would be alive and no one would want to skin his fat ass alive. So, you feel that the best way to handle someone following you is to approach them and begin to beat the **** out of them? Zimmerman is probably guilty of several crimes including and not limited to unlawful restraint, threatening, harassing, etc. If the evidence comes back that he just shot Trayvon Martin or shot him while holding him at gunpoint, he is probably guilty of at least second degree murder. Any and all of these could change even more if it turns out Zimmerman had a racial motive as the New Black Panthers have already decided. If it turns out Martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, Zimmerman might be guilty of firearms violations in the situation of self defence... We just don't know yet. Those of you racists who have already decided, show your ignorance and hate, each time you so blatantly want to throw the law and the constitution under the bus for the sake of an emotional feel good speech... Personally, I think Zimmerman is *probably* guilty of several felonies related to the firearm, probably guilty of knowingly putting himself into a situation where it was very likely he was going to commit murder, and very well *could be* guilty of some sort of racial hate crime or at least race could have been a factor in the outcome of the night. That is to say, I wonder if a white kid would have ended up getting shot... I also note that if Martin had not been killed, it's not clear that he would have not had charges against him too. This could be a case of an over-reaction, followed by an over-reaction, followed by an over-reaction. Zimmerman over reacted by chasing Martin Martin over reacted by attacking Zimmerman Zimmerman over reacted by shooting Martin In the end, Zimmermann is probably way more "wrong" even if Martin had not been shot. I know, a rational, non-bigoted look at the situation based on the very limited evidence we have available... |
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Floriduh
On 3/27/2012 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:48:40 -0700, wrote: All one needs to know is that Zimmerman pursued the eventual victim, after being told to stand down and wait for police. Not true. The exact words were "we don't NEED you to do that". There was never a comment that he shouldn't. This fat **** needed to stay in his car. A 17 year old kid would be alive and no one would want to skin his fat ass alive. If the kid had just kept walking he would be alive too but he chose to turn around and attack Zimmerman because he did not like the way he was looking at him. The kid would have been still been alive is Zimmerman had not gotten out of his vehicle and pursued the kid. Zimmerman initiated the entire incident. Too much bull**** to know that... First off, Zimmerman is not "white" as the New York Lies suggests, and why do they keep showing three year old pictures of Martin? Could it be that he is a lot bigger and more imposing now? The media has not given any of you the facts, that's why the FBI is in there... Hopefully Holder's racist Dept of Justice for Black Panthers and associates doesn't get any more involved, that's just campaign hookeybookey... |
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Floriduh
On 3/26/12 12:46 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... You really need to keep your moron instincts at bay, little toad. |
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Floriduh
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:56:05 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/26/12 12:46 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... You really need to keep your moron instincts at bay, little toad. Your level of immaturity is showing again, Harry. |
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Floriduh
On 3/26/12 3:59 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:56:05 -0400, X ` wrote: On 3/26/12 12:46 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else. Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels... You really need to keep your moron instincts at bay, little toad. Your level of immaturity is showing again, Harry. Uh-huh. The guy is a moron, period. As for your opinions, I give them all the consideration they deserve. |
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