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iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.

Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching

Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

JustWait[_2_]

On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.

Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching

Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have
you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what
happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as
I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , says...

On 3/27/2012 9:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.

Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching

Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

So now this is just a "lynching" of poor innocent Zimmerman, eh?
BULL****.

I never said anything about "lynching", that is your lie... BTW, have
you called the Police down there? I am sure since you know exactly what
happened you could straighten it out for them.. But as usual, as soon as
I unplonk you, you make up stories again.. Strike three plonk

Do you even READ what you right? YOU wholeheartedly agreed to the
statement that "That is not justice, it is a lynching".

jps

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, jps wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.

Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching

Uh, methinks the lynching already occured. Funny choice of words
you've made.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 3/26/12 4:44 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:03:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.

Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching

Uh, methinks the lynching already occured. Funny choice of words
you've made.

The "defenders" of the shooter have had plenty of time to get together
and "align" their stories. Among other things, the "stand your ground"
law needs to be repealed. But, of course, it is Florida, which in recent
years has become as backwards as Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and Virginia.

What might work is a nationwide boycott of traveling to Florida for
vacations until "stand your ground" is repealed.

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:

I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

The problem with the whole situation is that Zimmerman never should have
gotten out of his vehicle. Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman killed
Martin. Zimmerman can't have it both ways, initiating the pursuit and
then retreating from the pursuit and then use that retreat as stand your
ground justification. Zimmerman should be in jail.

JustWait[_2_]

On 3/26/2012 7:34 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, wrote:

I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

The problem with the whole situation is that Zimmerman never should have
gotten out of his vehicle. Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman killed
Martin. Zimmerman can't have it both ways, initiating the pursuit and
then retreating from the pursuit and then use that retreat as stand your
ground justification. Zimmerman should be in jail.

Agreed...

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:34:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:

I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

The problem with the whole situation is that Zimmerman never should have
gotten out of his vehicle. Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman killed
Martin. Zimmerman can't have it both ways, initiating the pursuit and
then retreating from the pursuit and then use that retreat as stand your
ground justification. Zimmerman should be in jail.

Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.

The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

Of course he says that. And you believe him.

JustWait[_2_]

On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:10:47 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.

The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.

Of course he says that. And you believe him.

The Sanford Police believe him and a few of us are still willing to
wait to see if the FBI believes him.

It is the people who have already made up their mind that he chased
Martin down and shot him (some even believe, in the back) who are
doing the lynching.

Nobody Believes Martin was shot in the back, but bigots and racists will
say it anyway because it suits their agenda. The hypocrisy is in their
willingness to take away a citizens rights in the name of someone elses...

People on the left came to this story with the same kind of prejudice
that was common 60 years ago in Mississippi when a black man killed a
white man.

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